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NIWA Community => NIWA Discussion => Membership and Affiliate Requests => Topic started by: KidIcarus on November 17, 2010, 09:48:10 PM
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I am in no way connected to Robopedia, but I found the wiki while browsing Wikia. You may want to approach them regarding a move to independence. They have a good article base and they seem to be fairly active.
http://customrobo.wikia.com/wiki/Robopedia
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Looks like something worth investigating. A quick look revealed a few stubs, but given their 644 page count, it looks like nothing too serious (e.g. they're not using stubs for every other article).
I say we should see if they're interested, but I can understand if they're not.
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please forgive me for my ignorance, but is there a difference between custom robo and chibi robo?
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please forgive me for my ignorance, but is there a difference between custom robo and chibi robo?
yes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custom_Robo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chibi_Robo
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please forgive me for my ignorance, but is there a difference between custom robo and chibi robo?
Yeah, only their names are similar. They have different universes, and I believe their only connection is through Super Smash Bros. Custom Robo is a high-tech fighting game while Chibi-Robo is an adventure game.
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ah, ok. Thank you for telling me.
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Perhaps I should create a new topic for this, but since the discussion involves approaching a Wikia wiki about going independent, I'd like to again suggest Golden Sun Universe as another candidate.
http://goldensun.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
I'm in no way affiliated with them, but they have over 1,000 articles and only 36 of them are classified (by their definition) as stubs. They're getting a lot of activity with the release of Golden Sun: Dark Dawn in 12 days, and their community is as big as ever. I don't know what their thoughts about leaving Wikia are, if any do exist, but I think they would be worth talking to.
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We should approach both these wikis about independence. Does anybody want to talk to them about it? I'd rather not have to go to every single Wiki, but I can if nobody else is willing.
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i could approach them, but i haven't secured hosting yet.
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We could always get them to move to Wikii temporarily until someone could get a proper domain. From what I've heard, Wikii doesn't keep your content when you leave, unlike Wikia, so there wouldn't be too many problems.
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I'd host a Golden Sun wiki.
Just saying.
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We could always get them to move to Wikii temporarily until someone could get a proper domain. From what I've heard, Wikii doesn't keep your content when you leave, unlike Wikia, so there wouldn't be too many problems.
It would seem a little tedious to move twice. Unless they can't find hosting anywhere, I would suggest moving straight to independence. Keeping things as simple as possible ;)
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Bah, it isn't tedious enough! They should have to move twenty times! Only those who show such fierce loyalty must be able to join NIWA!!! >:(
I'd host a Golden Sun wiki.
Just saying.
That might be good.
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I'd host a Golden Sun wiki.
Just saying.
I support you hosting one..... ;D
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Instead of have two Wikis to cover these rather small series should will put them in one under Robowiki?
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I don't think so personally, since they're two unrelated series.
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I don't think so personally, since they're two unrelated series.
as I've said before, I think it's a waste to make individual wikis for such small series
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I don't think so personally, since they're two unrelated series.
as I've said before, I think it's a waste to make individual wikis for such small series
While i agree, the two being unrelated would not work well for wikis.
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I think Lord Ferrok is talking about Chibi Robo and Custom Robo. I just want to clear that up because some people may have thought he was talking about Golden Sun and Custom Robo (I know that doesn't make sense because Golden Sun has nothing to do with robots, but that's what I thought he was talking about at first). Regardless, I agree that they should be kept separate. It would be like Zelda Wiki absorbing a Fire Emblem Wiki just because Fire Emblem has a similar medieval-fantasy setting.
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I think Lord Ferrok is talking about Chibi Robo and Custom Robo. I just want to clear that up because some people may have thought he was talking about Golden Sun and Custom Robo (I know that doesn't make sense because Golden Sun has nothing to do with robots, but that's what I thought he was talking about at first). Regardless, I agree that they should be kept separate. It would be like Zelda Wiki absorbing a Fire Emblem Wiki just because Fire Emblem has a similar medieval, fantasy setting.
yeah I was talking about Custom Robo and Chibi robo
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I support you hosting one..... ;D
Well, if anyone wants to approach them, you can let them know that we have someone willing to host 'em.
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Instead of have two Wikis to cover these rather small series should will put them in one under Robowiki?
Ignoring the fact we're a Nintendo Alliance for a moment, it'd be a bit like combining Mario and Star Wars: The Force Unleashed because they both contain the ability to jump.
That is an exaggeration, yes, but it gets the point across.
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Instead of have two Wikis to cover these rather small series should will put them in one under Robowiki?
Ignoring the fact we're a Nintendo Alliance for a moment, it'd be a bit like combining Mario and Star Wars: The Force Unleashed because they both contain the ability to jump.
That is an exaggeration, yes, but it gets the point across.
um no, no it does not, you clearly have no idea that I was just trying to save the cost of a bunch of small wikis, I just don't want them to fizzle out
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No, I mean that even if it saves costs, the subjects are too different to be properly combined into a wiki. You could make a wiki for smaller nintendo franchises, but you'd need probably more than two subjects to really set that up.
Keep in mind that it was "an exaggeration".
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No, I mean that even if it saves costs, the subjects are too different to be properly combined into a wiki. You could make a wiki for smaller nintendo franchises, but you'd need probably more than two subjects to really set that up.
Keep in mind that it was "an exaggeration".
there is one planed, don't know what became of it, or what series will be included in it
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If it was a wiki about all smaller franchises, "Robowiki" wouldn't be a good name for it, no?
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No, I mean that even if it saves costs, the subjects are too different to be properly combined into a wiki. You could make a wiki for smaller nintendo franchises, but you'd need probably more than two subjects to really set that up.
Keep in mind that it was "an exaggeration".
there is one planed, don't know what became of it, or what series will be included in it
One what?
There should not be a wiki covering both. Why? Because they are far too different. The only similarity in actuality is the use of robots. Chibi-Robo! is definitely a more family friendly series, and covers many elements others don't.
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No, I mean that even if it saves costs, the subjects are too different to be properly combined into a wiki. You could make a wiki for smaller nintendo franchises, but you'd need probably more than two subjects to really set that up.
Keep in mind that it was "an exaggeration".
there is one planed, don't know what became of it, or what series will be included in it
One what?
There should not be a wiki covering both. Why? Because they are far too different. The only similarity in actuality is the use of robots. Chibi-Robo! is definitely a more family friendly series, and covers many elements others don't.
a wiki for small series
and about the robo thing, it was just an idea, you guys really need to calm down
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Ignoring the fact we're a Nintendo Alliance for a moment, it'd be a bit like combining Mario and Star Wars: The Force Unleashed because they both contain the ability to jump.
That is an exaggeration, yes, but it gets the point across.
The point had already been made, and I already gave a more reasonable example. You don't need to attack other people's suggestions - and for someone who is not a big fan of either series, the suggestion was understandable. If you want, you can disagree with an opinion and give a reasonable explanation, but don't distort it so much as to destroy the original idea.
If it was a wiki about all smaller franchises, "Robowiki" wouldn't be a good name for it, no?
Don't put words in other people's mouths. Lord Ferrok never said that a wiki with all Nintendo content should be named Robopedia.
As the one who started this topic, I feel a certain responsibility to keep it focused. So from here on out, please limit all comments to Robopedia, its potential membership in NIWA, and any suggestions regarding the wiki. Please try to keep quarreling out of this discussion.
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No, I mean that even if it saves costs, the subjects are too different to be properly combined into a wiki. You could make a wiki for smaller nintendo franchises, but you'd need probably more than two subjects to really set that up.
Keep in mind that it was "an exaggeration".
there is one planed, don't know what became of it, or what series will be included in it
One what?
There should not be a wiki covering both. Why? Because they are far too different. The only similarity in actuality is the use of robots. Chibi-Robo! is definitely a more family friendly series, and covers many elements others don't.
a wiki for small series
and about the robo thing, it was just an idea, you guys really need to calm down
Sorry for overreacting. It's just that whole fandom thing... it can make you crazy.
But on topic, I don't think moving wikis off Wikia is the way we should getting many of our members.
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No, I mean that even if it saves costs, the subjects are too different to be properly combined into a wiki. You could make a wiki for smaller nintendo franchises, but you'd need probably more than two subjects to really set that up.
Keep in mind that it was "an exaggeration".
there is one planed, don't know what became of it, or what series will be included in it
One what?
There should not be a wiki covering both. Why? Because they are far too different. The only similarity in actuality is the use of robots. Chibi-Robo! is definitely a more family friendly series, and covers many elements others don't.
a wiki for small series
and about the robo thing, it was just an idea, you guys really need to calm down
Sorry for overreacting. It's just that whole fandom thing... it can make you crazy.
But on topic, I don't think moving wikis off Wikia is the way we should getting many of our members.
i think we should, so long as we balance it with wiki start ups like Lylat Wiki, Metroid Wiki and WiKirby.
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But on topic, I don't think moving wikis off Wikia is the way we should getting many of our members.
i think we should, so long as we balance it with wiki start ups like Lylat Wiki, Metroid Wiki and WiKirby.
While making our own wikis can be good, it will end up becoming "a wiki for the sake of a wiki". We should really find fandoms for these series and encourage them to start a wiki. Taking Wikia wikis is good too, because those come with editors and some kind of structure. Lylat Wiki, Metroid Wiki and WiKirby all work because they have a decent fandom size, but starting up a wiki on say, Brain Training, won't go anywhere because its fandom is minuscule/non-existent, and nobody would really care about it.
But I'm guessing your reason for saying we shouldn't get wikis off Wikia is because they leave the old one behind. What we can hopefully do is let the old ones decay and fall into disrepair while directing all editors and readers to the new ones (but avoiding Wikia's opposition to this).
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Snorlax managed to post my exact thoughts. We're getting to the bottom of a cone here. If there's going to be any all-new startups on independent hosting, the best approach would be to get commitment from any of the series' fan forums/sites.
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But in order to do that, we need to either become reputable members of their respective communities, or have members of said communities be members here.
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Well, if the communities don't exist, then nobody would care if there was a wiki for it or not. We need to make sure we don't get so caught up in editing that we forget that nobody cares about what we're writing.
Communities for things we want wikis about should exist, and we should go to those sites and suggest a wiki, for which NIWA would offer support.
Otherwise, taking them from Wiki Farms is a better idea, so if there are wikis on subjects we are looking for on Wikia, we can help free those wikis.
But the best alternative is to do neither. Instead of choosing a subject and getting a wiki on it, we should find Independent Nintendo wikis floating around and support them.
While NIWA is big, it is quite possible that they've never heard of us. Maybe the users have been to Bulbapedia and never quite scrolled down to the bottom. Maybe they regularly use StrategyWiki but have never actually bothered to go to the main page for years. Maybe the wikis are just sitting out on the Internet with no contributions at all, but still have a reasonable amount of content. Maybe they don't understand the benefits of joining NIWA.
In my opinion, the best wikis to get now would be fanon ones (despite my dislike towards them). I know that Fantendo turned us down, but we should be able to find other fanon wikis out there to match our "canon" wikis.
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Well, if the communities don't exist, then nobody would care if there was a wiki for it or not. We need to make sure we don't get so caught up in editing that we forget that nobody cares about what we're writing.
I would be careful about saying "nobody" cares. Typically, the writer of the content cares. That's somebody. And there are bound to be others, however few in number they may be.
I was envisioning NIWA as the ultimate resource for all things Nintendo, personally. In which case, I'd gladly like to have wikis on smaller franchises, wherever they come from. Then again, that's not exactly the goal of NIWA, at least for now, am I correct?
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Well, if the communities don't exist, then nobody would care if there was a wiki for it or not. We need to make sure we don't get so caught up in editing that we forget that nobody cares about what we're writing.
While I understand what you mean, I have to disagree because spontaneity has become such a major element of the internet. Sometimes I just search random things online or surf through Wikipedia for hours (it may not be normal, but I know I'm not the only one). I think minor wikis will still get considerable traffic from this group of internet users if the users are aware of the wiki's existence.
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Well if a wiki for one of those smaller series were made, we wouldn't reject it, but in the same breath we're saying you might want to reconsider going to make it just for NIWA's sake. What will happen when BrainTrainingWiki interest dies out, the owner tires of losing money on it, and no one else wants to pay to save it?
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Right. Money. That part didn't occur to me. In that case, it seems logical to host only wikis that get enough traffic for them to be "profitable", so to speak. But it also seems logical that the bigger NIWA gets, the more traffic it will attract, and more likely it will be that a wiki will be worth the money. We just have to keep everything in balance, and make sure we deal with things appropriately as they come.
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How much, exactly, does a domain cost?
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The domain prices can be viewed at Godaddy and the like, generally $15 per year. But the hosting comes in various plans, $4 a month for a shared host plan and fewer access rights than other plans. WiKirby has now grown enough to actually break shared hosting, so any startup could make it that far on a shared plan. The plan we are moving to next week, VPS, will cost $50 a month. But we are getting a discount, WHM rights, the move will be done for free, and we have been given a grace period to continue operating on the shared machine until the move takes place, without the limits that were imposed on us.
Bear in mind, the above prices don't include any initial fees that come with it.
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to add to the above, Check this page out (http://www.free-webhosts.com/domain-name-registration.php).
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Right. Money. That part didn't occur to me. In that case, it seems logical to host only wikis that get enough traffic for them to be "profitable", so to speak. But it also seems logical that the bigger NIWA gets, the more traffic it will attract, and more likely it will be that a wiki will be worth the money. We just have to keep everything in balance, and make sure we deal with things appropriately as they come.
Good luck turning a wiki profitable, in any respect.
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Well if a wiki for one of those smaller series were made, we wouldn't reject it, but in the same breath we're saying you might want to reconsider going to make it just for NIWA's sake. What will happen when BrainTrainingWiki interest dies out, the owner tires of losing money on it, and no one else wants to pay to save it?
Exactly. I just realized that this (besides the whole Jimmy Wales thing) is why Wikia was so popular: The whole adoption sequence. If a wiki dies, you can request administrative powers to revive it.
to add to the above, Check this page out (http://www.free-webhosts.com/domain-name-registration.php).
So, in that link .net, .com, or .org are the cheapest domains if you go with the first host. 7.77 a year seems like a pretty good price.
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Right. Money. That part didn't occur to me. In that case, it seems logical to host only wikis that get enough traffic for them to be "profitable", so to speak. But it also seems logical that the bigger NIWA gets, the more traffic it will attract, and more likely it will be that a wiki will be worth the money. We just have to keep everything in balance, and make sure we deal with things appropriately as they come.
Good luck turning a wiki profitable, in any respect.
I knew that wasn't the word I was looking for, which is why I put it in quotes. I meant that a wiki should be worth the money being paid for it. I wasn't anticipating anyone making a profit on a wiki, just making good use of the money they put into it.
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I wonder if they're the new member....