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NIWA Discussion / Re: On the subject of Zelda Wiki no longer being independent
« Last post by bikasgaur on April 12, 2018, 06:15:09 PM »
Justin, is there any plan of NIWA to release it's own mobile app? It would be great for all the users.
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Membership and Affiliate Requests / Re: Glitch City Laboratories
« Last post by Raltseye on April 12, 2018, 10:32:37 AM »
I'd take this as GCL has accepted affiliation so when is this made official?
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NIWA Discussion / Re: On the subject of Zelda Wiki no longer being independent
« Last post by Espyo on March 31, 2018, 01:59:18 PM »
My opinion, which as I gathered seems to be the opinion of most people on Discord, is that the entire situation is shaky, but unless something really shady happens, we have no good reason to remove Zelda Wiki from NIWA. The drama and stress involved in doing so is not worth the "just because" reasoning. There are good reasons for both sides, but until something big happens, I don't think anybody is going to flinch, really.
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NIWA Discussion / Re: On the subject of Zelda Wiki no longer being independent
« Last post by Justin on March 26, 2018, 08:49:36 AM »
Listen, I personally have very mixed feelings about Zelda Wiki moving. However, it cannot be denied that Zelda Wiki helped to found this very organization (I should know; I was there on day 1 when we launched). In addition, the staff members are still in charge of the operation of the wiki, and I have spoken with Gamepedia staff since I came back from hiatus. They offer assistance when asked and will occasionally make suggestions, but they take absolutely no role in the operation of the site.

Now many of you probably understand exactly how hurt I must feel about the site being sold. I've spent nearly a decade of my life helping the site in some capacity. Despite how I feel, I still choose to support it. NIWA was a very different place 7 years ago, full of hopeful kids and young adults with big dreams. Unfortunately, time has presented new challenges that couldn't exactly be solved in the most ideal of ways. Throwing Zelda Wiki to the wayside because of this is plain unfair to the efforts of those who heartily fought to make this dream a reality, especially those who are no longer with us. I think they can certainly get a pass on this one, for whatever my opinion is worth.

As a disclaimer, I'm not a Zelda Wiki staff member anymore. I'm currently acting independently, although I am helping them again.
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NIWA Discussion / Re: On the subject of Zelda Wiki no longer being independent
« Last post by Cody on March 25, 2018, 10:40:11 PM »
To clear something up, Tony isn't being forced into a restriction on staff chat time by a contract - he's decided on his own to schedule his time out clearly, probably so that he can organize his life better. Gamepedia isn't pushing any such restrictions. Aside from switching to their shared account system which we sorted out when we merged, they haven't demanded anything from staff or changed any of our work schedules in this past year since this was last brought up - they essentially just act as server technicians. They've made some minor contributions to Wiki policy like suggesting better SEO ways for us to list some of our pages, but again, I said "suggestion" and not "restriction" or "forced" - there have been no attacks on our independence.

Also, things like the owner getting money from the site are irrelevant to NIWA I think as I don't remember NIWA having anything against site owners spending their surplus ad money however they like.
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NIWA Discussion / On the subject of Zelda Wiki no longer being independent
« Last post by eientei95 on March 25, 2018, 01:26:27 PM »
A year ago, ZeldaWiki moved under the hosting of Gamepedia. Apparently discussions were had regarding its membership under NIWA and no-one minded as they were still "technically independent"[1]. However I believe there are some conflictions regarding the level of independant-ness of ZeldaWiki. The owner, Jason (also goes by GoldenChaos#6532 in Discord), apparently works for Curse[2], Gamepedia's parent company[3]. The director/senior editor[4], Tony is also currently being compensated by Gamepedia, one of his contract stipulations being restricted to at maximum 2 hours on the staff chat.

Given these allegations, how is it that Zelda Wiki is given a free pass, as it is "technically independent"? To me personally, the lining of the pockets of the owner and the director go against NIWA's policy of being independent.

I await any further questions or statements, preferably from Jason, Tony or the NIWA admins.


1 See "SnorlaxMonster_1.png", attached.
2 See "SnorlaxMonster_2.png", attached.
3 https://www.gamepedia.com/about "Owned and operated by Curse"
4 Tony's Gamepedia user profile, also on his user page.
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Membership and Affiliate Requests / Re: Glitch City Laboratories
« Last post by PikaSamus on March 23, 2018, 11:00:59 PM »
Didn't know NIWA had a Discord server. Are you talking about ABXY or an admin only server?
Admin only server
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Membership and Affiliate Requests / Re: Glitch City Laboratories
« Last post by Raltseye on March 21, 2018, 12:23:25 AM »
Nice to see some progress. I noticed that Project Pheonix was completed some time ago and decided to ask about NIWA affiliation. Hopefully the other staff will accept this affiliation.

Didn't know NIWA had a Discord server. Are you talking about ABXY or an admin only server?
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Fire Emblem / Re: The obscurity of Fire Emblem
« Last post by Torchickens on March 10, 2018, 05:53:37 PM »
I relate a lot because Legendary Starfy is similar, in particular with the first four games which were only released in Japan. The fifth game was also only localised for America and Australia and I live in the United Kingdom, so whenever I talk to anyone there about Starfy not many people have heard of him except maybe some very dedicated gaming fans (however there are Starfy fans, in particular he is popular on websites like DeviantArt and Pixiv, and many Starfy fans are also big fans of Kirby, we're just hidden).

Unfortunately too, like the Golden Sun series we haven't seen a new Starfy game since years, however Starfy's appearance in Super Mario Maker for Wii U (as well as Smash Bros. since Brawl) was nice.
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Membership and Affiliate Requests / Re: Glitch City Laboratories
« Last post by Torchickens on March 09, 2018, 09:21:10 PM »
Hello. In addition to Starfy Wiki I'm an administrator over at Glitch City Labs.

We actually started affiliating with other websites not too long ago (including a French and a Japanese Pokémon glitch site) and we would happily support affiliation (if other wikis at NIWA are OK with this).

Regarding membership there was a discussion in the past in 2010 started by myself regarding whether Glitch City could become full NIWA members (I'm unsure if it is also on these forums, but on our side we had a discussion about it here) and I was able to access the discussion because of being an admin of Starfy Wiki.

While I can't remember the exact details, if I remember correctly other members of NIWA weren't too sure about membership (Archaic noted for instance Bulbapedia already covers glitches, although admitted parts of the site about glitches were covered in more depth). One suggestion was to, rather than become members, for Glitch City to form a glitch alliance instead in which we would affiliate with Zelda Chaos (English Legend of Zelda glitch wiki) and potentially other websites.

Looking back, at that point the wiki had far less articles and the three main projects GlitchDex, AttackDex, ItemDex were still incomplete. I reflected on it and thought we should become bigger first. Have had similar thoughts about asking again recently, but been thinking of us becoming more exhaustive in our coverage (in particular in Generations IV+ and sub-glitches from all generations). On second thoughts however I feel we are at a better state than we were before (with 1390+ articles compared to about 300 in the past), so I have no objections, but I'll bump the older thread over on Glitch City to get some input.

Thanks for suggesting us and we would love to support further Bulbapedia too.  :)

I'll attend the NIWA Discord chat to discuss if there is a discussion there already.
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