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NIWA Community => NIWA Discussion => Topic started by: Archaic on March 01, 2010, 11:02:02 PM
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Over the past years, we have noticed a disturbing trend in Nintendo fandoms. Where once stood friendly communities, operated by well known and well loved faces, now stand sterile places run by faceless corporate entities, whose only care for their visitors is how much advertising revenue they generate. Nowhere is this more true than with fan wikis. For the past several years, there has been a systematic attempt made by certain groups to acquire wikis of sufficient size and prominence in their respective fandoms. While some webmasters have resisted, many others have instead given themselves over. Some misled by duplicitous offers of free hosting with many more strings attached then they were ever aware, and others led astray sadly by greed, with promises of shared advertising revenues or even flat out lump sums of cash.
We seek to change this trend.
What we have said should not be misunderstood as being anti-corporate. There is certainly a place in online fandoms for corporate sponsorship, and it's true that many fansites, ourselves included, would not be able to cover their hosting bills without advertising of some sort. Nor can we blame all of those who have had to relinquish control of their communities, as the financial and technical burdens for those of us who become large are often quite significant, and there are most certainly difficulties for webmasters in forming the networks and connections they need to make enough return off their advertisements to pay for their communities.
What we do stand against is the corporate meddling in the actual day-to-day operation and management of our communities, which we feel is a detriment to our fandoms as a whole. Our feelings can be summarised thus.
* Fan communities should be run by the fans, by people whose involvement in the well-being of the community is of the emotional nature of the fan. They should not be run by those having only a purely financial investment, with no interest in the specific fandom itself.
* Fan communities should be run for the fans, by people who will take a positive interest in the fans' desires, always thinking about how they can continue to enhance the enjoyment of everyone in the community.
* Fan communities should be run together with the fans, embracing a spirit of co-operation and camaraderie in our fandoms, with friendly rivalries rather than bitter divides.
It's time we made our stand together, as fans, for the sake of the futures of our fandoms.
That stand begins now.
NIWA is a network of independent operators of Nintendo wikis, founded jointly by Bulbapedia, ZeldaWiki and Super Mario Wiki - three strong communities that have banded together in the face of this threat. We hope that our example will send a message to fandoms everywhere: we will not take this trespass into our domain lying down, and neither should they. We will show the world that such a stand is possible, and worthwhile.
To those of you who seek to dominate and hold power over us, we say fear us, and know that your actions will be tolerated by the fans no more.
To those of you who seek freedom in your pursuit of knowledge, and to those of you oppressed under the shackles of faceless shadows, we say seek out and join us.
We are NIWA, and this is our declaration of our independence.
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Should this be locked, or is it purposefully unlocked?
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It's purposely unlocked, so as to get response from the community, right?
Anyway, this sums everything up rather nicely, and I see the full reason behind the refusal to admit wikis on wikia or a host like that.
It must have taken a while, but this very good, and it should clear up whatever questions regarding NIWA as an alliance from the people.
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tl;dr
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Hear, hear!
An excellent manifesto, that quite aptly explains what NIWA stands for.
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Great manifesto. Perhaps now we can add it to the hub :police:
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Can we sign it like the American Declaration of Independence?
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Can we sign it like the American Declaration of Independence?
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n159/YYXJKQJ/oie_tucayo.gif :P
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GAWLIC
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Hnsvariation.PNG)
[not really]
-Austin
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-Justin (Neo)
Long live the NIWA!
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(http://csanimefan.com/images/cs_tacopill_logo.png) (http://csanimefan.com/tacopill.php) and (http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/g/r/grifkuba.png) (http://grifkuba.deviantart.com)
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Bravo and Amen!
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I never signed this?
-Lord Ferrok
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May Niwa stand strong against the greedy corporate tyrants!!
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~L3
didn;t do this earlier.
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nice manifesto. I say this should go on the hub, with our signatures below it. I.E.
--Zelda Wiki--
Adam
Cipriano
Dany36
Justin
Steve
Xizor
etc.
So it is a little bit like the declaration. It'll be fun and interesting to see the actual users that supported the project in its hayday.
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This was the original. If those of you on staff want to peek at the revised one that's going to go live soon-ish and offer suggestions, there's a thread about it in the staff forums. ;)
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A new draft manifesto is currently sitting on NWiki, if anyone wants to take a look.
http://niwanetwork.org/wiki/index.php/Nintendo_Independent_Wiki_Alliance/Manifesto
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So, in other words:
"Online fandoms should be run by fans as opposed to non-fan entities. NIWA exists to support this idea in the domain of independent Nintendo wikis."
In my opinion, the whole thing is very drawn out and filed with fluff (not to mention clichés). NIWA has repeatedly avoided comparisons to government, so why is this document so political in nature?
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Cliches? Drawn out? Sure, it's not light reading, but for a document like a manifesto you usually try to be quite detailed and informative. It spells out to an extent what NIWA is, why NIWA was formed, and what NIWA hopes to accomplish.
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And we are trying to avoid being compared to government systems, not act unpolitical. We don't want people thinking of us as a <insert government system here> but that doesn't mean we don't want to separate totally from all politic-related stuff.
And the fluff/cliches/whatelesedidyousay is what makes it from a statement to a manifesto. Nothing is official unless it's filled with fluff :)
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whatelesedidyousay
I also said that "the whole thing is very drawn out".
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whatelesedidyousay
I also said that "the whole thing is very drawn out".
That closes up all loopholes that anyone could find.
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Okay, sounds good. I was just asking for clarification.
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whatelesedidyousay
I also said that "the whole thing is very drawn out".
That closes up all loopholes that anyone could find.
Loopholes for what purpose? A manifesto is a declaration of intent, not a guiding document (that's what a charter or constitution is for). Unless NIWA is using the manifesto as its charter, nothing in it should be strictly binding.
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whatelesedidyousay
I also said that "the whole thing is very drawn out".
That closes up all loopholes that anyone could find.
Loopholes for what purpose? A manifesto is a declaration of intent, not a guiding document (that's what a charter or constitution is for). Unless NIWA is using the manifesto as its charter, nothing in it should be strictly binding.
Eh, lines in the Manifesto can still be misinterpreted, or worse, used against us. ;)
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We use it as a charter-esque type thing. It's one of our few concrete bits of "This cannot be touched" stuff.
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We use it as a charter-esque type thing. It's one of our few concrete bits of "This cannot be touched" stuff.
Ah, that makes sense.
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Really though it just strives to embody what we're all about, and that's what drives what we do here. The goals and mentality outlined by the manifesto dictate why we do what we do.
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Our "About" page - including the manifesto - has been updated! (http://www.niwanetwork.org/about.php)
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"Fan communities should be run together with the fans..."
I don't understand this part. The fan communities are the fans. I think it would be better to say "fan communities should be run by the fans...". Thank you.