I created this a few weeks ago, and I am the only user to make more than a few edits. When it grows big enough, I plan to move it to independence.
http://yoshi.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page
Wahoo! More members is always fun :)
Nice! The green dino needs his own wiki in NIWA, as does the fatso dude (Wario).
NIWA can have quite a few more members, though there are not any ones developed...
I probably mentioned this to you earlier SA, but I love Yoshi. I'd be more than happy to host this for you once it gets off the ground. :)
SWEET!!!
Surely though, Mario wiki has it covered.
Quote from: Solar Dragon on January 09, 2011, 08:17:14 PM
Surely though, Mario wiki has it covered.
Don't we all want to have this discussion again... :-\
Quote from: Solar Dragon on January 09, 2011, 08:17:14 PM
Surely though, Mario wiki has it covered.
See: Donkey Kong Wiki (http://donkeykongwiki.com/)
Good luck on Yoshipedia! :)
Good luck with the wiki!
I can't find a way to say this which doesn't sound negative, and I'll probably end up starting a disagreement, but anyway...
Personally, I don't see this as a productive venture. In what way is the content planned to go beyond what Mario Wiki already offers? Surely they already have extensive info on the games, characters etc. So I don't really see the benefits that this new wiki will offer, just that it will waste time and resources establishing a new project to duplicate existing information. It feels somewhat impulsive and poorly thought out to me. :-\
Mario Wiki has lots of things covered, which has caused some controversy in the past, and I'll bet it will cause some controversy in the future. So Mario Wiki has nice coverage of Yoshipedia? Excellent, that sets a bar for Yoshipedia to try and beat. There is always room for improvement, and Yoshipedia can work on trying to set the next bar for Yoshi coverage.
It is entirely possible that it is a futile attempt, but new wikis have the opportunities to try out new things and take new risks that developed wikis may not wish to take. Mario Wiki is already set in how article structure goes, so if Yoshipedia can develop a better way to present the information, then they could easily trounce Mario Wiki.
Quote from: Xizor on January 09, 2011, 10:17:28 PM
Quote from: Solar Dragon on January 09, 2011, 08:17:14 PM
Surely though, Mario wiki has it covered.
See: Donkey Kong Wiki (http://donkeykongwiki.com/)
Sure, but there's a bunch of DK games (DK Country series, DK Land series, DK64, Donkey Konga series, DK: King of Swing, Diddy Kong Racing, DK Barrel Blast/Jet Race, etc) that simply
don't feature Mario characters. They're related, since they come from a common root and DK characters sometimes appear in Mario spin-offs (e.g., Mario Kart, Mario Party), sure; but there's a separate core.
Is there that core for Yoshi? The core Yoshi games (Yoshi's Safari, SMW: Yoshi's Island, Yoshi's Story, Yoshi's Island DS; even spin-offs like Yoshi/Mario & Yoshi and Yoshi Touch & Go,) still feature Mario characters (sometimes as Baby versions) after all.
Ultimately, to me, DK games are a franchise that crossover with Mario games, while Yoshi games are just a subset of Mario games.
Yoshi's Safari, Yoshi Topsy-Turvy (AKA Yoshi's Universal Gravitation), and Yoshi's Story don't have Mario in them. That's beside the point though. The main point is the context is different. If I go to Super Mario Wiki and search for "Coins" it will lead me to an article about coins throughout the Mario series. If I'm a Yoshi fan and I only want to learn about the role coins play in the Yoshi series, too bad because Super Mario Wiki's article only provides six sentences about this significant gameplay element in the context of the Yoshi series. Yoshipedia would ideally have more detail, and it wouldn't make me scroll down to the middle of a long article to find the information I'm looking for.
On a side note: Has Wikkii been down recently, or is it just my computer?
just your computer I presume.
And I feel that Yoshipedia and Mario Wiki should reach a compromise on this matter.
A compromise on what? I don't see anything that Yoshipedia is doing that would require compromises.
It still requires SMW approval, to be sure. But, if they granted it, I think this has potential, given what I know about non-mario related Yoshi games.
Well, it needs SMW approval to be an official member of NIWA. Yoshipedia has the right to expand all it wants and form alliances with individual wikis in NIWA. It also has the right to request help on the NIWA forums. NIWA has previously expressed that they will assist wikis of all types regardless of topic or independence. By posting about the wiki on the forums, Yoshipedia receives the same publicity any member wiki would. In essence, the benefits of NIWA are open to non-member wikis because NIWA is so unclearly defined. No wiki has the ability to block any other wiki from becoming a de facto member of NIWA.
Of course, for all I know, Super Mario Wiki may welcome Yoshipedia with open arms.
Sounds like a great idea.
Quote from: Xizor on January 11, 2011, 12:25:44 AM
It still requires SMW approval, to be sure. But, if they granted it, I think this has potential, given what I know about non-mario related Yoshi games.
Elaboration, please? I can understand it needing permission from SMW (and everyone else) if it wants to join NIWA, but otherwise I can't think of anywhere else where it needs anyones permission.
Just to join NIWA. There are many benefits to joining that you can't get just from a thread like this. Why would members assist a wiki acting in spite of a member, though? We help members the most. Of course, the wiki's right to exist is undisputed. However, to join, it would need SMW approval first and foremost. The rest of us have to approve too, though.
Quote from: vince220 on January 10, 2011, 09:34:23 PM
Yoshi's Safari, Yoshi Topsy-Turvy (AKA Yoshi's Universal Gravitation), and Yoshi's Story don't have Mario in them.
Safari title screen: http://www.mariowiki.com/File:Yoshi%27s_Safari_Title.png [It's a FPS from Mario's POV]
And Yoshi's Story & YTT/YUG both have Bowser as the villain [I said Mario
characters, not just Mario]. c.f. DK, who has his own set of stock villains, etc.
I have a question. Is Yoshipedia going to cover the Yoshi (http://www.mariowiki.com/Yoshi_(game)) game, Yoshi's Cookie (http://www.mariowiki.com/Yoshi's_Cookie), or just the Island games?
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think adult Mario or adult Luigi actually appear in the Yoshi series, so while they're on the Wanted Pages list, I'm not really sure if they deserve their own pages separate from Baby Mario and Baby Luigi.
Mario and Luigi are both playable alongside Yoshi in Super Mario World.
Do you mean the first Super Mario World, or Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island? (Man, that name is unnecessarily long). As far as I know, the first game isn't really part of the Yoshi series, so appearing in that wouldn't make them eligible for an article in a Yoshi wiki. While Yoshi is in Super Mario World, I still wouldn't put it as part of the series. Of course, that's just my opinion.
Well, they don't have to be long articles, but I think it's nice to at least give a short summary of adult Mario and adult Luigi describing their connection to Yoshi the character.
If we're just going to do a short summary on the adult versions, we could always do it in the Baby articles. Just a sentence or two, you know. (Perhaps under "History"? Or maybe even the lead?) At any rate, the articles look thin a bit as it is, so including the adults in the Baby articles might help fatten up the content, if you get what I mean.
Yeah, that might be good. And if that section ever gets too large, it can always be spun-off into its own article. It's up to Super Alpaca when he gets a chance to look at it.
At any rate, I created an article for the series as a whole (http://yoshi.wikkii.com/wiki/Yoshi_(series)) and one for Baby Luigi (http://yoshi.wikkii.com/wiki/Baby_Luigi). I also implemented a category (http://yoshi.wikkii.com/wiki/Category:Yoshipedia) system (http://yoshi.wikkii.com/wiki/Category:Yoshi_(series)). What does everyone think (the categorisation system especially)?
Also, does anyone know any good images for Baby Luigi from the Yoshi series that don't have any other annoying people in the image and is of good size? The one currently there is the best I could find at the time, and I think it'd be better to have one from the series the wiki is about.
Well, there is the one of him getting kidnapped...
Are there any images of Baby Luigi that don't involve him constantly getting kidnapped?
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Darnit.
Btw, thanks for making me admin, Super. And we just reached 20 articles :D.