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Title: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: IceScream on March 08, 2013, 09:50:51 PM
(Pardon I using the "dead" word, I'm not a english speaker and I running out of words to use)

Since the other thread is going off-topic, this is the new thread to discuss how to fix any dead NIWA wikis like Wars Wiki and NintendoWiki.
Old thread here: http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=1322.0 (http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=1322.0)

Important posts from the old thread:
There is a lot of loose terminology being tossed around here.  Wikis are not "dead" simply because no one is editing them.  Some articles might be getting stale and new articles might be missing but those factors do not mean a wiki is dead.  A wiki is only truly dead when it is not visited by anyone on the web or it is taken offline.

Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AncientPages) is the Wikipedia page for dormant articles.  Many of these articles have not been edited for over 7 years.  Are these articles dead?  No, they just might be in need of updates.  I'm sure lots of them have been used millions of times in those 7 years by those searching the web.

With that said, I still think the Nintendo Wiki has a strong reason for existence.  There is plenty of information about Nintendo which is not series related.

Nintendo and its corporate history
Important Nintendo executives, Shigeru Miyamoto, lots of others
Nintendo hardware and peripherals, where else do articles about the Power Glove, Super Scope, and Virtual Boy go?
Development studios which Nintendo controls and their history
Games which do not merit their own standalone wiki (Wii Sports/Play/Party/Music, Game and Watch, other Nintendo ventures which were Japan only)
The Nintendo Store in New York
Channels on the Wii and Wii U
Nintendo Power magazine history info, etc
Nintendo @ E3 (I think it would be awesome to have articles detailing what Nintendo unveiled each year, reaction, etc)

Nintendo is identified by the products it makes, which is why the Nintendo wiki is really a "support" wiki to the game series wikis.  I don't believe it is dead or useless though.

   

#2:
Related: Wars Wiki has been dead for a long time now. It was left to spammers a long time ago and no one wanted to contact them.

http://warswiki.warscentral.com/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500

Disheartening, really. Why didn't anyone want to contact the admins?

Inactive wikis checklist

Super Mario Wiki - Active   
Zelda Wiki - Active             
Bulbapedia - Active           
Metroid Wiki - Active           
WiKirby - Inactive               
Wars Wiki - Inactive           
Lylat Wiki - Inactive             
Pikipedia - Active               
Pikmin Fanon - Active         
StrategyWiki - Active         
Smash Wiki - Active
WikiBound - Inactive
Donkey Kong Wiki - Inactive
Nookipedia - Active
Golden Sun Universe - Active
NintendoWiki - Inactive
Fire Emblem Wiki - Active
Starfy Wiki - Active
F-Zero Wiki - Inactive
Icaruspedia - Inactive
Dragon Quest Wiki - Active

Feel free to point out any errors with the list.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: KidIcarus on March 08, 2013, 10:26:13 PM
See response here: http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=1322.msg25083#msg25083
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: Moydow on March 09, 2013, 03:49:45 AM
(KidIcarus, if you want to post please post in the old thread. Thank you.)
Why can't he post here?

Having two separate threads active on roughly the same topic is going to lead to confusion. Either I lock the old one, or merge it here. Which will it be?
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: IceScream on March 09, 2013, 04:16:51 AM
(KidIcarus, if you want to post please post in the old thread. Thank you.)
Why can't he post here?

Having two separate threads active on roughly the same topic is going to lead to confusion. Either I lock the old one, or merge it here. Which will it be?

I can't stand his annoying behavior.

Correct me if I wrong, but I don't think there is still any remaining important posts in the old thread. Any important ones already listed in the first post already. Feel free to lock that thread if KidIcarus can make quality posts in this thread.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: Greenpickle on March 09, 2013, 09:48:05 AM
Right, so does anyone know how to contact Wars Wiki admins?  Maybe try putting something on their talk pages.  Who provides the hosting?  The two things that need doing are to revert the spam and to install an anti-spam system.  A brief look at recent spammed indicated it's only on the spammers' user pages, which is good.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: dkpat on March 09, 2013, 02:51:25 PM
Link to Member's Check in thread from a while back: http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=1274.0

Wikirby is kinda not in the greatest of shapes, it doesn't have spam issues, but it's not really improving either.

Wars Wiki is hosted as part of a fansite, Wars Central. Maybe someone can get a hold of them  there, I just wonder if their user pages will do any good or not.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: Vellidragon on March 10, 2013, 05:10:42 AM
Wikirby is kinda not in the greatest of shapes, it doesn't have spam issues, but it's not really improving either.
Sorry about that, I really haven't had time for it over the past couple months. I have been occupied with numerous projects in an attempts to get some much-needed money (my sig links to most of them), but results have been less than stellar, so I have to keep working. I don't know when I will have time to waste on anything not for profit again, sorry.

In the meantime, anyone else can of course help improve WiKirby just as much; its main problem has long been the sparseness of dedicated and skilled/experienced editors, so if anyone wants to help and is willing to spend some time on reading & follow quality standards and help pages, just contribute :3
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: KidIcarus on March 10, 2013, 11:18:14 AM
Any important ones already listed in the first post already.

Can you please clarify what you mean by this segment fragment?
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: IceScream on March 10, 2013, 12:58:18 PM
Any important posts taken from the old thread already listed in the first post already.

Can you please clarify what you mean by this segment fragment?

Can you please stop making any off topic posts? Are you really wanted to ruin every thread you saw?
I request banning KidIcarus from ever posting in this thread.

To KidIcarus: This thread haven't ended. NintendoWiki and others is still dead.
Can someone please talk to KidIcarus? I'm tired and I give up.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: KidIcarus on March 11, 2013, 03:23:50 AM
Valleydragon: no need to apologize for anything. Any help youve made in the past is greatly appreciated and we appreciate it greatly. that doesn't mean it should be your burden. it is not your responsibility to BE the kirby community.

to icescream: e3 ended already

to all: step number one = building a fan community --> step number two = taking the most dedicated fans and exposing them to the wikis

#problemsolved #endofthread
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: IceScream on March 12, 2013, 06:55:02 AM
Merging all the questions into one post:

1. Apart from Wars Wiki, NintendoWiki and WiKirby; is there still any NIWA wikis with long inactivity?

2. I recall NintendoWiki once have an E3 countdown. Why is the countdown is taken down?
    Official E3 site and date: http://www.e3expo.com/ (http://www.e3expo.com/)

3. Is no one still can contact Icaruspedia's admin, Maxite?: http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=1268.0 (http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=1268.0)
    This page: http://www.kidicaruswiki.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&limit=500 (http://www.kidicaruswiki.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&limit=500) is hurting my eyes.

4. If we can ask their permission, can we merge all those wikis into NintendoWiki?
    Wii Wiki: http://wiiki.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page (http://wiiki.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page)
    Game & Watch Wiki: http://gameandwatch.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page (http://gameandwatch.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page)

    Because this sentence:
Quote from: FlyingRagnar
Games which do not merit their own standalone wiki (Wii Sports/Play/Party/Music, Game and Watch, other Nintendo ventures which were Japan only)

Bonus: http://www.wikirby.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Stupidbeanbon (http://www.wikirby.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Stupidbeanbon)
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: Vellidragon on March 12, 2013, 05:48:10 PM
2. I recall NintendoWiki once have an E3 countdown. Why is the countdown is taken down?
Probably because it's only meant to be there when there's an E3 coming up and nobody put it back on the site for the next one. I'll let tacopill know, he's usually the one to take care of such things. (EDIT: Actually, I just put it in the NintendoWiki Skype chat :p)
Quote
This page: http://www.kidicaruswiki.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&limit=500 (http://www.kidicaruswiki.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&limit=500) is hurting my eyes.
You should probably explain why. My eyes are usually sensitive to such things, but don't seem to care much about that page (although the red and blue text is hard to read on that background, which also affects the sidebar btw. I still liked that site better when the skin was blue and more pleasing to the eye).
Quote
Quote from: FlyingRagnar
Games which do not merit their own standalone wiki (Wii Sports/Play/Party/Music, Game and Watch, other Nintendo ventures which were Japan only)
Actually not sure if I agree on Game & Watch not meriting its own wiki; there's quite some content to cover.
Quote
Bonus: http://www.wikirby.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Stupidbeanbon (http://www.wikirby.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Stupidbeanbon)
Thank you, I took care of that :3 The only actual contribution they made was a stolen image, even...
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: Greenpickle on March 12, 2013, 06:49:11 PM
WRT 3, pretty sure he meant the page content, not the appearance.  Yeah, that's some weird spam right there.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: Moydow on March 12, 2013, 09:10:57 PM
Looks like the same sort of thing we got on F-Zero Wiki a few months ago. I recommend Asirra (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Asirra), that killed them for us.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: IceScream on March 13, 2013, 11:42:27 AM
Looks like the same sort of thing we got on F-Zero Wiki a few months ago. I recommend Asirra (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Asirra), that killed them for us.

Can someone tell the Icaruspedia admins somewhere about this extension? They will not know this if they doesn't saw this thread.
(Since they already knew about this, just ignore this sentence.)

Also for those who don't notice, I added a checklist in the first post. I welcome if any people can help checking the other wikis so I can complete the list.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: dkpat on March 13, 2013, 03:38:28 PM
I talked to Maxite a few days ago, we all know about Asirra here. Apparently he had issues installing it, but I told him to try again.

Also, IceScream, that checklist isn't exactly necessary. This is why I made the check in thread a while back. All wikis not accounted for are to be considered active, and are active, unless otherwise stated.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: ToastUltimatum on March 14, 2013, 05:29:17 PM
Icaruspedia is very active at the moment, use the link in the sitenotice up top for a spam-free Recent Changes.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: Red on March 14, 2013, 06:24:14 PM
I am one of the few active people at WiKirby (as Mario). I hate seeing the spam popping up and the admins are inactive :(
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: Vellidragon on March 14, 2013, 11:17:11 PM
the admins are inactive :(
Sorry for my inactivity, see my earlier post in this thread for explanation :( There aren't any other admins on WiKirby apart from me (except Adam, but he doesn't do much if anything on the site itself). If you urgently need someone with admin powers there, please notify me in some other way (e.g. through these fora) and I will look into it as soon as I have time. Thanks for checking on the wiki in my absence :3
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: IceScream on March 15, 2013, 04:49:31 AM
What method can let Donkey Kong Wiki get more attention from the search results? It is overshadowed by Mariowiki, Donkey Kong wikia and even Wikipedia itself. (No offense to everyone)

(Related note, why I am the only one asking questions? :'()
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: Greenpickle on March 15, 2013, 10:29:59 AM
Hmm, seems to be in the top 5 results for most related searches in DuckDuckGo.  I guess you're talking about Google, which is ranking results differently, somehow.  IIRC, (amongst other things) Google ranks sites based on how many high-ranked sites link to them - DKWiki's link from Bulbapedia and the like should help, but Wikia wikis are linked from Wikia central and loads of other Wikia wikis (I think they put random links in sidebars and things?  Tried to check, but it's hard to tell since images no longer work at Wikia for me, and the whole network is fundamentally broken...).
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: IceScream on March 15, 2013, 03:42:07 PM
Hmm, seems to be in the top 5 results for most related searches in DuckDuckGo.  I guess you're talking about Google, which is ranking results differently, somehow.  IIRC, (amongst other things) Google ranks sites based on how many high-ranked sites link to them - DKWiki's link from Bulbapedia and the like should help, but Wikia wikis are linked from Wikia central and loads of other Wikia wikis (I think they put random links in sidebars and things?  Tried to check, but it's hard to tell since images no longer work at Wikia for me, and the whole network is fundamentally broken...).

When searching only "donkey kong wiki", there was no problems. But if I wanted to search something like "cranky kong wiki" or "cranky kong", DKWiki fallen to the bottom of the page.

(But really, may I ask what's the point of DKWiki when Mariowiki also has the same articles, but better? Not trying to start a flame war here.)
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: Vellidragon on March 16, 2013, 01:11:43 PM
(But really, may I ask what's the point of DKWiki when Mariowiki also has the same articles, but better? Not trying to start a flame war here.)
As far as I'm aware, DK Wiki mainly exists because it migrated to independency from a Donkey Kong Wiki on Wikia, with its own community seperate from the Super Mario Wiki that didn't wish to merge with the latter. Mario Wiki approved their joining NIWA and DK Wiki has (or had at the point of joining) no problem with Mario Wiki's Donkey Kong coverage, so all is fine in that respect and it's probably a matter of personal preference which wiki you go to for Donkey Kong coverage (though NIWA interlinking usually encourages using DK Wiki). If any problems arise from the overlapping coverage, that'd probably be something that Super Mario Wiki and DK Wiki need to settle among themselves. As long as all wikis involved are okay with it, we could technically have an unlimited amount of wikis on the same subject in NIWA.

(I could have sworn there was a thread about this once, but I cannot find it anymore...)
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: Craig 2.0 on March 16, 2013, 08:39:42 PM
Herp all the derps, I made a post that I meant for this topic here (http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=1322.msg25149#new) instead. Whoops.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: dkpat on March 16, 2013, 10:18:13 PM
Moving my discussion from the NintendoWiki thread and Wars members responses.  There is a point in the life of a wiki and it's series that is is covering, where you simply can't improve. This mostly applies to the game series that end or haven't seen a new game in a long time. (Such as Wars Wiki, and Wikibound, and Golden Sun Universe really) It's unfortunate, but the truth. Whenever that point is reached,which hasn't happened to any of these wikis yet though GSU is getting close, the only thing left for these wikis are maintenance. We will need to keep this in mind.

When a series dies off, the fan base will be lacking greatly. This is the problem with Wikibound and Wars Wiki. They don't have enough of a fan base to craft a fully developed wiki. So, I'm not sure that as NIWA, we can really help them very much.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: IceScream on March 18, 2013, 10:25:14 AM
1. Starfy Wiki is currently "active", although only Torchickens is doing almost all the work:
    http://starfywiki.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&from=&limit=500 (http://starfywiki.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&from=&limit=500)
    Where is the other people (even staff) gone?

2. Still no one wants to help out the poor NintendoWiki? I'm bad at creating articles because I'm not that good on english.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: Torchickens on March 18, 2013, 05:44:47 PM
1. Starfy Wiki is currently "active", although only Torchickens is doing almost all the work:
    http://starfywiki.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&from=&limit=500 (http://starfywiki.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&from=&limit=500)
    Where is the other people (even staff) gone?

I believe the other staff are busy with real life matters. The Wiki is kind of filling up, as there hasn't been a new game in the series since 2009 and many aspects of the series (e.g. characters/enemies, recently costumes) are all covered. It would be great if a new game was released this year.

We've actually never really been too active, probably since the Starfy series has a relatively small fanbase. Most of our edits come from staff.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: Maxite on March 22, 2013, 06:45:58 AM
After much tears and frustration, I have finally managed to get Asirra working on Icaruspedia.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: IceScream on March 22, 2013, 09:28:47 AM
After much tears and frustration, I have finally managed to get Asirra working on Icaruspedia.

Does the existing spam accounts will get deleted? Also, does this deserves on Icaruspedia's news section? It might help the activity: http://www.kidicaruswiki.org/Icaruspedia:Skyworld#Where_did_everyone_go.3F (http://www.kidicaruswiki.org/Icaruspedia:Skyworld#Where_did_everyone_go.3F)

Edit: Does Wars Wiki staff known about the Asirra extension? It also having a account spam problem.
Link from the first post: http://warswiki.warscentral.com/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500 (http://warswiki.warscentral.com/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500)

Bulbanews (not the main wiki) as well: http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500 (http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500)
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: IceScream on March 24, 2013, 08:43:51 AM
http://niwanetwork.org/wiki/index.php/NintendoWiki:Community_portal#Current_List (http://niwanetwork.org/wiki/index.php/NintendoWiki:Community_portal#Current_List)

Can someone fix the link of "NIWA Central Contact Page" from html to php? I can't edit that page.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: Moydow on March 24, 2013, 01:44:33 PM
http://niwanetwork.org/wiki/index.php/NintendoWiki:Community_portal#Current_List (http://niwanetwork.org/wiki/index.php/NintendoWiki:Community_portal#Current_List)

Can someone fix the link of "NIWA Central Contact Page" from html to php? I can't edit that page.

Done. That page as a whole needs a major update though. I might get around to it later on.

Does the existing spam accounts will get deleted?

It's possible, but very time-consuming. It took me a week to take out literally over 9000 spam accounts on F-Zero Wiki, so I don't recommend it unless you have a lot of free time, or you really want to get rid of the inflated user count. If anyone still wants to delete them, PM me and I'll give you instructions.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: IceScream on March 25, 2013, 03:39:25 PM
Currently, which of the NIWA sites still having downtime problems?
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: dkpat on March 25, 2013, 04:31:39 PM
Currently, which of the NIWA sites still having downtime problems?
To my knowledge, none. Although Wikibound, Fire Emblem Wiki, and Lylat Wiki may have occasional problems.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: IceScream on April 14, 2013, 11:16:44 PM
What's happened with WiKirby lately? It's been having many downtime problems.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: Moydow on April 15, 2013, 12:13:17 AM
The owner is presently inactive, and it's proving rather difficult to make contact with him. Numerous PMs and e-mails have failed. If you'd like to try, his profile is here (http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=21).
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: IceScream on April 15, 2013, 01:49:47 PM
The owner is presently inactive, and it's proving rather difficult to make contact with him. Numerous PMs and e-mails have failed. If you'd like to try, his profile is here (http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=21).

Is there any people that know him in real life?
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: KidIcarus on April 15, 2013, 08:51:34 PM
Not that I know of
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: Vellidragon on April 25, 2013, 04:02:56 PM
What's happened with WiKirby lately? It's been having many downtime problems.
As of today, WiKirby is back online. Don't ask me why or for how long; the period between the last downtimes was only a few days. I haven't heard anything from Adam and he didn't put an explanation on WiKirby either; I don't know if he's even responsible for getting it back online or what on earth has been happening to it. It's certainly not profiting from the downtimes and lack of clarity on them (or even certainty that they will be looked into within any reasonable amount of time or at all).
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: Koroku on April 30, 2013, 02:04:13 AM
As of today, WiKirby is back online. Don't ask me why or for how long; the period between the last downtimes was only a few days. I haven't heard anything from Adam and he didn't put an explanation on WiKirby either; I don't know if he's even responsible for getting it back online or what on earth has been happening to it. It's certainly not profiting from the downtimes and lack of clarity on them (or even certainty that they will be looked into within any reasonable amount of time or at all).
Want a new host? I currently host Golden Sun Universe and Wikimon, and would be willing to take on WiKirby.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: Vellidragon on April 30, 2013, 08:55:29 PM
Want a new host? I currently host Golden Sun Universe and Wikimon, and would be willing to take on WiKirby.
An easier to reach host would help, but unfortunately, the hosting also can't be moved with seemingly no way of reaching Adam, and even if there was one, he would most likely refuse to pass on the hosting or even share access with someone else experienced as he has been doing previously for Bast knows what arbitrary reasoning (as far as I can tell, he has mainly been using the "this is what Ax would have wanted" justification, though I'm fairly certain he wouldn't have wanted the site to rot away without anyone to actively take care of its server and software). He's very overprotective of the site and server even though he has rarely if ever been doing anything to either for quite a while (even when he was a bit more responsive, he has been unwilling to cooperate even on simple issues like installing extensions). Unless a miracle happens, I don't have any hope that anyone will be able to properly take over the hosting anytime soon unless some workaround surfaces.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: Koroku on May 04, 2013, 12:30:13 AM
Well, you have my offer if the opportunity ever rises.
Title: Re: The dead NIWA wikis repair thread
Post by: KidIcarus on July 01, 2015, 11:08:21 PM
I think life and death is a natural cycle and people will come in when the wiki needs it most