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NIWA Community => NIWA Discussion => Topic started by: Seaweed on November 12, 2010, 04:44:49 PM
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I was happy to see that Donkey Kong wiki was added today, they had very good articles. But then I checked the Super Mario wiki and saw they have almost the exact same articles for every thing on Donkey kong wiki. I say either Donkey Kong wiki must leave or Super Mario wiki but delete all there donkey kong articles and provide a link to the donkey kong wiki
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Well, as the DK Wiki continues to expand, it will go into more detail and venture into topics that don't necessarily apply to Super Mario Wiki.
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are they clones of each other's content? or does DKWiki go into more detail, or have it organized differently, on the Donkey Kong Games than Super Mario Wiki does?
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There is no rule against overlapping coverage. DKWiki was made aware that MarioWiki would continue covering the same series, and they were fine with that. Sorry to let you down.
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Wait a minute... I just took a look at some of the content on DK Wiki and it seems like they copied and pasted from Super Mario Wiki on some areas (or the other way around). Not only do these sections go over the same thing, they are identical. Here are just some examples I found while skimming DK Wiki:
*First paragraph of Stanley the Bugman
*Almost all of Diddy Kong
*All of Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis
Again, I just found these while skimming the articles to see how bad the overlap was. If I had actually looked for copied and pasted material, I may have found some more.
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Let me explain. This will be a mouthful and a half.
You see, in the early days of the wiki (then on Wikia), several articles were copied off MW out of desperation. I'm fully aware of that. However, I purposely go out of my way to differ from MW as much as possible. I simply believe there is way too much DK info on the MarioWiki. In most cases, articles are rewritten to be different from MW, and we've been slowly revamping articles. It's been a gradual process between adding info and changing other info. Currently the wiki has 688 articles.
Of course we have articles on the exact topic. It happens. There are differing styles in most cases. The DKWiki has some information that MW does not, and the other way around. The same goes with images and such. Even editors have come from MarioWiki to help from time to time. Understandable, the Donkey Kong series is no easy subject to cover.
Now, us joining does NOT mean transferring content from MW. We're doing this our own way, bottom up. We're in desperate need of articles and coverage beyond DKC, my area of expertise. As I said, gradual process.
Again, DKWiki is NOT meant to be a MarioWiki clone. Stop talking about nuking wiki pages like that on MarioWiki. I would recommend a SLIGHT lowering of coverage on Donkey Kong on MarioWiki (less extreme).
I'll personally speed up the revamping progress myself and hold off adding much info for now. I don't believe I've said enough defending the wiki myself, but there's a start. I'll get the other guys to back me up.
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While I agree that Super Mario Wiki should probably tone down a bit on their Donkey Kong articles, I think its obvious that there's going to be some overlap. Mario and Donkey Kong started in the same game franchise, before Mario split out on his own to rescue a princess by squishing Goomba's brains. However Donkey Kong and Mario have gone totally different ways really, only being linked by Mario Kart.
So, yeah, there will be articles on Donkey Kong on Mario, and vice versa, but they're different enough for their own wikis.
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I think the problem has less to do with content overlap and more to do with ripping text from another site and pasting onto your articles. I feel that DK Wiki should make it its priority to remove the plagiarism.
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If that's the case then it can be fixed by editing (though how long it takes might vary...), so there's still no real need to delete all Donkey Kong articles on MarioWiki or completely remove DK Wiki and return it to the pits of hell known as Wikia.
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If that's the case then it can be fixed by editing (though how long it takes might vary...), so there's still no real need to delete all Donkey Kong articles on MarioWiki or completely remove DK Wiki and return it to the pits of hell known as Wikia.
Oh, of course not. I don't think the NIWA staff would ever invite a wiki only to kick them off soon after.
And I'm sure we all agree that the plagiarism won't go away overnight. It's a process and we understand that.
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I might see if I can reword some of the DK Wiki's articles so they no longer plagiarise MarioWiki. However, I don't really play Donkey Kong, so I doubt I'll be able to much use. And, if there are like 100 articles that are ripped off, I may be slightly out of my depth...
Anyone know any particularly egregious stolen articles we can aim for?
Also, I can't help but notice Donkey Kong Wikia just got a spotlight on Wikia. >:(
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well, you could make a template notice saying "This article was taken from another wiki. Please edit the article to help differentiate it from it's source." or something to that effect.
Then have admins place the template on articles that can be proven to be cases of plagiarism.
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How about this (http://www.donkeykongwiki.com/index.php?title=User:Manga_Maniac/Sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=15944)?
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I actually like that template a lot. ;D
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i like it. Is the probelm only with "Mario Wiki"-copied information?
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I think the main problem here is that Donkey Kong and Mario while technically separate franchises are too connected since they both originated in the same game and crossover frequently so there is going to be a ton of overlap. I'm surprised DKWiki was allowed in since Mariowiki basically already covers the entirety of the DK Franchise and already does a fantastic job at it. Now I love DK but is it really necessary to have it be a different wiki when its already covered extensively by the Mario one?
Technically Wario and Yoshi are also their own franchises that Spun-off Mario, out of those two Wario is the most successful spin-off wise and differentiates the most from Mario but I don't think a Wariowiki would be necessary. Of course DK is bigger than Wario/Yoshi and basically in the SNES days with DKC, DK had gotten away from Mario's Shadow only to have that taken away after Rare left and Nintendo kept incorporating DK more and more with Mario, hopefully with DKC Returns Donkey Kong will become a household name outside of the Mario franchise like it was in the 80s with the Arcade game and 90s with DKC. Its definitely going to be tough for the DKWiki to be its own entity though I certainly wish them the best.
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Hm...a template which alerts people to copied content sounds like a good idea. However it is a very bad idea to lower either of these wiki's coverage policies because some of the content is being copied. There are very capable admins and users on both of these wikis who can and will change the content so it isn't copied word for word but it is inevitable that the articles will be similar. However, over time, the DK wiki will develop its own processes, formats, tables, categorial trees, etc. and the wikis will look different. Right now we just have to wait. Lowering the information values on one of these knowledge databases will bring nothing good, it will just lose content or prevent content from being added; stuff that nobody wants. If the DK wiki's articles are similar to the MarioWiki's articles, let it be. I am sure the DK wiki will include some deeper information than the MarioWiki does. I think complaints should be put aside until the wiki has developed its own systems.
However the template alerting people to copied (word-for-word) content is a good idea.
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Yes, we should let them develop before coming to any conclusions. I think a problem arises only if the Super Mario Wiki covers Donkey Kong so heavily that there is nothing DK Wiki can do to surpass them in coverage (for example, if Super Mario Wiki has covered every single thing involving Donkey Kong).
Will this ever happen? No one can really know for sure. But suppose that it does happen. By then, DK Wiki will be very well-developed and a lot of hard work will have been put into it. However, Super Mario Wiki will have the exact same thing. No rational person would go to a DK Wiki when there is a Mario wiki with the same quality, the same detail, but greater coverage.
This is a long-term problem (Super Mario Wiki is not even close to covering all things Donkey Kong). However, it's probably in the best interest of DK Wiki editors for a decision to be made regarding coverage right now. We wouldn't want all their hard work to be in vain two or three years from now.
Simply, the coverage issue will grow as the wikis do. In my opinion, to delay a decision would be unwise. It's best to tackle the issue before it gets too big. There are a couple options out there - a merge as equals, an absorption of DK Wiki, an end to DK coverage on SMW, etc.
This is a decision that the staff of both wikis will have to discuss. In the end, it is up to the wikis what they do, but it would be of great benefit to at least consider our opinions.
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I blame a lot of the plagiarism on my part lol.
But that is over a year ago...
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I blame a lot of the plagiarism on my part lol.
But that is over a year ago...
You're the culprit! get him! :D
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Technically Wario and Yoshi are also their own franchises that Spun-off Mario, out of those two Wario is the most successful spin-off wise and differentiates the most from Mario but I don't think a Wariowiki would be necessary. Of course DK is bigger than Wario/Yoshi and basically in the SNES days with DKC, DK had gotten away from Mario's Shadow only to have that taken away after Rare left and Nintendo kept incorporating DK more and more with Mario, hopefully with DKC Returns Donkey Kong will become a household name outside of the Mario franchise like it was in the 80s with the Arcade game and 90s with DKC. Its definitely going to be tough for the DKWiki to be its own entity though I certainly wish them the best.
It is my personal opinion that Yoshi and Wario of more sub-franchises. Donkey Kong, however, is its own franchise, that nowadays only overlaps with Mario in the occasional crossover and Mario Kart.
Ask yourself this, would you call Donkey Kong a "Mario" character or a "Donkey Kong" character. Now ask yourself whether you would call Yoshi a "Mario" character, or a "Yoshi" character. Is Wario a "Mario" character, or a "Wario" character?
It doesn't help that Mario appears in all the Yoshi games, and Baby Mario made an appearance in Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time.
Plus, you could argue that Yoshi and Wario do deserve a wiki.
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It is my personal opinion that Yoshi and Wario of more sub-franchises. Donkey Kong, however, is its own franchise, that nowadays only overlaps with Mario in the occasional crossover and Mario Kart.
Ask yourself this, would you call Donkey Kong a "Mario" character or a "Donkey Kong" character. Now ask yourself whether you would call Yoshi a "Mario" character, or a "Yoshi" character. Is Wario a "Mario" character, or a "Wario" character?
It doesn't help that Mario appears in all the Yoshi games, and Baby Mario made an appearance in Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time.
Plus, you could argue that Yoshi and Wario do deserve a wiki.
Its a bit more convoluted, Donkey Kong is the first game and Mario spun-off and became the more recognizable part and all DK was known as the game that launched Mario. When DKC came out it set itself apart from Mario and was able to be seen as a separate brand from Mario, of course DK64 failed to get people on fire like DKC did and after that Rare was sold and Nintendo tried to keep the DK franchise alive but they were all failed tries (hey I liked them!), so for the past decade DK has been seen mostly as just "part of Mario" instead of its own brand. DKCR aims to change this but who knows how successful it'll be. The point is while Mario spun-off DK it became the bigger name and while DK has tried to brand itself different its still part of the "marioverse" so to speak.
Now Yoshi and Wario are another story. Yoshi is the less successful of the three, however I definitely consider his game a 'brand' in a similar vein to DK. Yoshi's Island was the game that spun him off and even though it was called "Super Mario" for name recognition it is not considered a Mario game, the 25th anniversary of SMB pretty much cemented the fact. The success of Yoshi's Island made him his own 'franchise' headlining Yoshi's Story with no Mario at all and established Shy Guys as his rogues canonizing SMB USA in the process. Sadly Yoshi hasn't been wildly successful so we haven't been able to see a lot of the Yoshi brand separate from Mario though theres plenty of Yoshi games, don't forget in the original SSB he also got his own icon and didn't have to share with Mario.
Now Wario is a different story, his first appearance was in Mario Land 2 and spun-off with Mario Land 3 which is basically just a Wario game with with Mario slapped in the title to guarantee the game would sell like SMW in Yoshi's Island in case the Wario/Yoshi brands weren't big enough. Since then Wario has been its own entity pretty much only crossovering in party games, in some ways its been better than DK in setting its own name separate from Mario, especially with the Warioware series. Super Princess Peach and Luigi's Mansion could be seen as trying to launch them as their own brand which failed.
Anyways the original point was Wario is as much of a separate entity from Mario as DK and even Yoshi is. Both Yoshi and Mario have mostly been carried by the Mario franchise in recent years though which makes it hard to justify giving them their own wikis. Yoshi definitely can't handle it, its too small and Wario like DK is already covered extremely well by the Mariowiki. Wario may have successfully spun-off and Mario may be the spin-off of DK but Mario is the bigger name and the connections of Wario/DK to Mario allowed them to be covered by Mariowiki and they are already covered well.
Yes, we should let them develop before coming to any conclusions. I think a problem arises only if the Super Mario Wiki covers Donkey Kong so heavily that there is nothing DK Wiki can do to surpass them in coverage (for example, if Super Mario Wiki has covered every single thing involving Donkey Kong).
Simply, the coverage issue will grow as the wikis do. In my opinion, to delay a decision would be unwise. It's best to tackle the issue before it gets too big. There are a couple options out there - a merge as equals, an absorption of DK Wiki, an end to DK coverage on SMW, etc.
This is a decision that the staff of both wikis will have to discuss. In the end, it is up to the wikis what they do, but it would be of great benefit to at least consider our opinions.
Well the problem is Mariowiki covers the franchise of DK so well already, there is not enough for DK Wiki to differentiate from it, like I said I hope they do but I don't think they can. Like I explained earlier in the post, Mario may be the spin-off of DK but Mario is the bigger name and DK is technically part of the same 'universe' which is why it has to be covered by the Mariowiki. DK re-made its own name as a separate franchise with DKC series but after that its just basically clinged back to Mario making it even more integral for Mariowiki to cover it. Theres really not much for the DKWiki to cover that Mariowiki hasn't, most of it is all overlap. Now technically Mariowiki should leave DK exclusively to the DKWiki but I don't think its fair for Mariowiki to give up so much of their hardwork.
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Technically Wario and Yoshi are also their own franchises that Spun-off Mario, out of those two Wario is the most successful spin-off wise and differentiates the most from Mario but I don't think a Wariowiki would be necessary. Of course DK is bigger than Wario/Yoshi and basically in the SNES days with DKC, DK had gotten away from Mario's Shadow only to have that taken away after Rare left and Nintendo kept incorporating DK more and more with Mario, hopefully with DKC Returns Donkey Kong will become a household name outside of the Mario franchise like it was in the 80s with the Arcade game and 90s with DKC. Its definitely going to be tough for the DKWiki to be its own entity though I certainly wish them the best.
It is my personal opinion that Yoshi and Wario of more sub-franchises. Donkey Kong, however, is its own franchise, that nowadays only overlaps with Mario in the occasional crossover and Mario Kart.
Ask yourself this, would you call Donkey Kong a "Mario" character or a "Donkey Kong" character. Now ask yourself whether you would call Yoshi a "Mario" character, or a "Yoshi" character. Is Wario a "Mario" character, or a "Wario" character?
It doesn't help that Mario appears in all the Yoshi games, and Baby Mario made an appearance in Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time.
Plus, you could argue that Yoshi and Wario do deserve a wiki.
I'm gonna have to disagree. My opinion is that Donkey Kong, Wario, and Yoshi are all sub-franchises. In fact, contrary to what you suggested, I think Wario is the most deserving of a wiki. With the rise of the WarioWare series, a wiki could potentially go over each and every minigame. However, Super Mario Wiki even covers something so trivial to the Super Mario franchise as that. I don't condemn SMW for encroaching on other franchises (it is still part of the Mario universe); rather, I applaud them for their extensive coverage.
Over time, Super Mario Wiki will naturally engulf each and every topic regarding Donkey Kong. Not only is it their right, it's their duty as a Super Mario encyclopedia. Now, DK Wiki is still free to write their articles; just don't be upset a couple years from now when all your work is overshadowed.
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There is no problem, as Steve said
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I think Wario is the most deserving of a wiki. With the rise of the WarioWare series, a wiki could potentially go over each and every minigame. However, Super Mario Wiki even covers something so trivial to the Super Mario franchise as that. I don't condemn SMW for encroaching on other franchises (it is still part of the Mario universe); rather, I applaud them for their extensive coverage.
Over time, Super Mario Wiki will naturally engulf each and every topic regarding Donkey Kong. Not only is it their right, it's their duty as a Super Mario encyclopedia. Now, DK Wiki is still free to write their articles; just don't be upset a couple years from now when all your work is overshadowed.
I actually wouldn't disagree with a Wario Wiki. You could argue that all wikis are pointless and we should just have one big Nintendo Wiki (if you ignore the fact that the database would implode, and all that...), that covers every character, every minigame, etc.
Also, who is this Steve?
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porplemontage
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Speaking of Wario, maybe we can try and see if the WarioWiki (http://wario.wikia.com/index.php?title=WarioWiki&action=history) wants to go indy.
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There's a reason I made sure DKWiki was okay with the fact that MarioWiki would not change what it covers, because of the overlap. But it's still great for them because they get to continue doing what they were doing anyway, but with the support of NIWA and friends. We tried splitting up the MarioWiki once, and we're just not doing that again. A Wario or Yoshi wiki would be given the same disclaimer, and if they are fine with it, I wouldn't object to adding them.
The Super Mario Wiki covers Smash Bros. too, but if you want to browse the wiki just for Smash Bros. info it's tough because that's not how the wiki is set up. SmashWiki works because everything is based around Smash Bros., and the same goes for DKWiki or any other potential, more-focused wiki.
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I question the need to go into such detail on Smash Bros. on Super Mario Wiki.
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Super Mario Wiki covers all things related to Super Mario. Super Smash Bros is heavily influenced by Super Mario... just look at the name.
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I agree that SMW should have articles about each Smash Bros. game, but SSB isn't a Mario franchise, so SMW really doesn't need to cover each and every character.
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The Super Mario Wiki covers the Mario series and any series in close proximity. That's what we've always done and it's what we love to do. So you could argue the name is a bit of a misnomer, but Mario is the main series from which we branch off from, and we're not changing it to Mario Wiki Plus Friends of Mario (although that name is kind of amusing). So you'll have to think of it as more than a single series wiki, and that's not going to change, since we certainly didn't join NIWA to cover less.
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Even if there wasn't a Smash Bros. Wiki, I still wouldn't like having every character (such as Young Link) on the wiki just because he's part of Smash Bros.
SSB is a franchise that just has Mario in it. It is not a Mario franchise, or anything like that.
Of course, that's just my opinion.
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Even if there wasn't a Smash Bros. Wiki, I still wouldn't like having every character (such as Young Link) on the wiki just because he's part of Smash Bros.
SSB is a franchise that just has Mario in it. It is not a Mario franchise, or anything like that.
Of course, that's just my opinion.
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I'm irritated to some degree by MarioWiki claiming Smash as a Mario spin-off when it's no such thing.
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You should read my last post--I just said that we purposefully cover non-Mario series. We don't claim Smash Bros. to be a spin-off, it's just one of the series we choose to cover. Here's out coverage policy (http://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Coverage); Smash is classified as a crossover series.
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I understand the reasoning behind the choices you've made in your coverage policy, but I personally think it's a little overkill. For example, if I were looking for information on Banjo-Kazooie, Mariowiki wouldn't be the first place I would look. On that note, I wouldn't even go to DKwiki looking for Banjo-Kazooie or Conker info. I would go to a Banjo-Kazooie wiki for information about Banjo-Kazooie.
I just now found out that both Banjo and Mario exist in the same "universe", but I doubt that many people know that, considering Banjo made a very small appearance in one game that isn't closely tied to the Mario franchise at all. The Banjo series is, let me get this right, a spinoff (Banjo series) of a spinoff (Diddy Kong Racing) of a spinoff (Donkey Kong series), with the main series being Mario. That's pretty distant, if you ask me.
Let me also throw this out there. If I were looking for information about Donkey Kong as he appeared in Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, I'd look at DKwiki. If I were looking for information about Donkey Kong as he appeared in Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, I'd look at Mariowiki. Just what makes sense from a personal standpoint. You can cover all the information you want to, but I'd probably look at DKwiki or Smashwiki for information about those franchises rather than Mariowiki.
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Since its not doing any actual harm and the articles have clearly had work put into them, I'm not going to bother arguing that you should remove crossovers and such any longer.
I, though maybe not you or the rest of the SMW community, just think that stuff like Smash Bros., which isn't part of the actual Marioverse to my knowledge, is a bit unnecessary to go into such huge detail about.
EDIT: That isn't to say, I now agree with you, I just don't think that its worth arguing about.
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the point is, Mario wiki covers any series heavily influenced by the Mario super-series.
* Super Smash Bros. is heavily influenced by Super Mario Series, given the amount of Items, levels, fighters and music that comes from it in comparison to any other series.
* Donkey Kong is included because historically, that's what has been done. If they change now, they would dishonor over 5 years of contributors. If they would choose to move content to DK Wiki, that is their choice to make, not our to make them do so.
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Let me make this clear.
We get a lot of people complaining about this all the time. It has been this way for many years. We are not changing our coverage in any way
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I don't expect you to. You have certainly worked hard to get to where you are now, and it's certainly an amazing accomplishment. I'm not trying to criticize Mariowiki, and I wasn't trying to complain about the coverage policy. I applaud your efforts wherever they may be put, and I'm sorry if I said anything particularly offensive. I was just trying to offer my own thoughts. :-[
Mariowiki will forever be my #1 source for Mario information. By that same token, Smashwiki will be my #1 source for Smash Bros. information, and DKwiki for DK info as well. I do hope that this situation won't be considered a "problem" as it has been made out to be, and that we can all coexist peacefully.
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Super Mario Wiki should be changed into Nintendo wiki and combine all the NIWA wikis. That would be awsome.
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no, i think that would be going a little too far. Each wiki has it's own histories, styles. etc. Just as each franchise does.
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Haha, how bout just some sort of nintendo wiki separatefrom other wikis. yes yes.. that would be cool.
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This is a simple thing to settle. When you get right down to the basics, Mario Wiki views the Donkey Kong content as a spin-off while Donkey Kong views it as the base, and views the Mario sports titles as cross-overs. This is my problem with Donkey Kong Wiki (one that is getting much better with DKCR), it should view the Donkey Kong series as its own entity, because that's what it is. The world of Donkey Kong Country is a vibrant world that tries to immerse you in it's environments. It has a real life nature feel to it, which is completely different from Mario which has smiling clouds and magic mushrooms.
They are fundamentally different universes that stem from the same game, Donkey Kong.
Donkey Kong split off into two spin-offs, Donkey Kong Jr. and Mario Bros.
Mario Bros. set up Mario and Luigi as well as the more run and jump gameplay, from there Super Mario Bros. came out and gave Mario his own universe to live in.
Donkey Kong Jr. set up Donkey Kong as an adventurer going through the Jungle, collecting bananas and climbing vines, from there Donkey Kong Country came out and gave Donkey Kong his own universe to live in.
Mario Wiki should treat everything as a spin-off of the Mario series that went,
Donkey Kong -> Mario Bros. -> Super Mario Bros. -> everything we know and love
While Donkey Kong Wiki should treat everything as a spin-off of the Donkey Kong series that went,
Donkey Kong -> Donkey Kong Jr. -> Donkey Kong Country -> everything we know and love
Articles like "Mario Hoops 3-on-3" should distinguish the Kong elements from the rest of the game, and take particular notice of those elements. As well as offering a look at the game from a Donkey Kong fan's perspective. I bought many s***ty Mario spin-offs just for Donkey Kong's appearance and it would be nice to have a wiki look at those games the same way I did growing up and still to this day. For example, write about how "DK Pass" is probably located on Gorilla Glacier or some stuff like that.
Here's a better example, Mario Wiki says that DK Island is in Mushroom World, in Mushroom Galaxy, etc. In most of the Donkey Kong games, there are many allusions to our own planet earth, and virtually none to a Mushroom World. This is because Mario Wiki views DK as a spin-off. A Donkey Kong Wiki would write that DK Island is probably located on our own planet earth off the coast of Africa as that is what is suggested at most times (hell, in DK Jungle Climber you can see the planet and the continents off earth)/
There's my two cents.
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This is a simple thing to settle. When you get right down to the basics, Mario Wiki views the Donkey Kong content as a spin-off while Donkey Kong views it as the base, and views the Mario sports titles as cross-overs. This is my problem with Donkey Kong Wiki (one that is getting much better with DKCR), it should view the Donkey Kong series as its own entity, because that's what it is. The world of Donkey Kong Country is a vibrant world that tries to immerse you in it's environments. It has a real life nature feel to it, which is completely different from Mario which has smiling clouds and magic mushrooms.
They are fundamentally different universes that stem from the same game, Donkey Kong.
Donkey Kong split off into two spin-offs, Donkey Kong Jr. and Mario Bros.
Mario Bros. set up Mario and Luigi as well as the more run and jump gameplay, from there Super Mario Bros. came out and gave Mario his own universe to live in.
Donkey Kong Jr. set up Donkey Kong as an adventurer going through the Jungle, collecting bananas and climbing vines, from there Donkey Kong Country came out and gave Donkey Kong his own universe to live in.
Mario Wiki should treat everything as a spin-off of the Mario series that went,
Donkey Kong -> Mario Bros. -> Super Mario Bros. -> everything we know and love
While Donkey Kong Wiki should treat everything as a spin-off of the Donkey Kong series that went,
Donkey Kong -> Donkey Kong Jr. -> Donkey Kong Country -> everything we know and love
Articles like "Mario Hoops 3-on-3" should distinguish the Kong elements from the rest of the game, and take particular notice of those elements. As well as offering a look at the game from a Donkey Kong fan's perspective. I bought many s***ty Mario spin-offs just for Donkey Kong's appearance and it would be nice to have a wiki look at those games the same way I did growing up and still to this day. For example, write about how "DK Pass" is probably located on Gorilla Glacier or some stuff like that.
Here's a better example, Mario Wiki says that DK Island is in Mushroom World, in Mushroom Galaxy, etc. In most of the Donkey Kong games, there are many allusions to our own planet earth, and virtually none to a Mushroom World. This is because Mario Wiki views DK as a spin-off. A Donkey Kong Wiki would write that DK Island is probably located on our own planet earth off the coast of Africa as that is what is suggested at most times (hell, in DK Jungle Climber you can see the planet and the continents off earth)/
There's my two cents.
Well said, the only problem is that Mario and Donkey Kong stil appear all the time together in spin offs and Mario vs. Donkey Kong was just released. So they are still sort of the same series. I also don't know why the Mario wiki has articles about Link and Kirby, they are hardly ever together and yet they get there own article, all the SSB characters and DK should just link the person to the NIWA that is more specific about that person.
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Ok, while i agree with you there coverage is a little too broad, it appears we are arguing in Circles. I am going to say my two cents, and then recommend this thread for closing.
Take a look as MW:CV (http://www.mariowiki.com/MW:CV)
Based on MarioWiki:Canonicity (http://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Canonicity), there is no "canon" regarding the Mario franchise (http://www.mariowiki.com/Mario_(series)). Since there is no canon, we cover any Mario (http://www.mariowiki.com/Mario) relate media product given some sort of official authorization by Nintendo (http://www.mariowiki.com/Nintendo) at some point in time, be it through the Official Nintendo Seal or a contract with another company, etc. All content from such sources is allowed on this wiki, without speculating on what content from what source is more officia than other content from other sources. As Nintendo has never established an official canon regarding the Mario series, we cannot say newer or older Nintendo games, media, content, policies, etc. are more official than the others. They are all essentially as official as each other.
It states that the wiki chooses to cover Mario-related Anything from the original Donkey Kong (http://www.mariowiki.com/Donkey_Kong_(game)) to Super Mario Galaxy 2 (http://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_Galaxy_2). Now, Banjo maybe stretching it a little (since he is the main character of
Banjo-Kazooie (http://www.mariowiki.com/Banjo_(series)#Banjo-Kazooie) -> which is a spin off of Diddy Kong Racing (http://www.mariowiki.com/Diddy_Kong_Racing) -> which is a side game of Donkey Kong Country (http://www.mariowiki.com/Donkey_Kong_Country) -> which helped Donkey Kong (http://www.mariowiki.com/Donkey_Kong) establish his own franchise separate from Mario.
), but still, the important part of this is that the wiki chooses to cover it. NIWA has taken the position that if the wiki chooses to cover it, then let them, so long as a current member doesn't already cover it. Just the same, a new member can't join, unless a wiki with a similar coverage policy lets them.
Since NIWA accepted DK Wiki as a member, the DK Wiki had to have permission from Super Mario Wiki to Join. And it did. Do you honestly expect NIWA to turn around and say "Sorry, we have to kick you out. We have Mario Wiki".
Just the same, do you thing NIWA will tell Super Mario Wiki, one of the founding wikis by the way, "Sorry, but we need you to remove all DK stuff because we now have DK Wiki".
No, I don't think so. Why? because there is something more important than coverage at the core of these decisions: The principle of Choice.
It is that principle that the alliance was founded under, and the principle that has guided the alliance ever since.
Every wiki that comes to us, has chosen to be a member; just as niwa has chosen to include each and every wiki so far.
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Couldn't have said it better, taco
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Not to mention, NIWA has no authority over its members. We're not here to provide singular sources of information; on the contrary, I feel that if there's some crossover, it just means there's more information for our viewers to get. We only preserve content solidarity for the purpose of benefiting the member wiki in question.
Nobody will think to go to SMW for Donkey Kong information as long as Donkey Kong Wiki is on the hub page. I know I wouldn't, even knowing that there is DK information at SMW.
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@Rarelover: Extremely well put. However the wiki itself is short of contributors now and I barely know much about DK past the 'Country trilogy myself. If you set some examples on the wiki that would be great.
@Taco: Well said, well said. I wouldn't close the thread just yet though, perhaps a little longer if anyone else has any more cents to spare.
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@Tucayo, User:HavocReaper48: Thank you, both. I try my best.
And i only close topics i start and feel have finished, i'm not experienced enough to feel i can justify closing this thread.
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It's probably worth noting here that the one who's providing the hosting to DK wiki is (if I'm not mistaken), Super Mario Wiki owner Porplemontage. I'm assuming he's got some kind of long term plan to avoid having too much crossover or something.