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NIWA Community => NIWA Discussion => Topic started by: KidIcarus on December 03, 2010, 04:36:44 AM
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Whatever happened to the Square Enix IWA? Are they still considering a move toward independence, or have the talks died down?
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Whatever happened to the Square Enix IWA? Are they still considering a move toward independence, or have the talks died down?
I wasn't aware there was one, I hope they move to independence, I want my Dragon Quest wiki!
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Talks have stopped for the moment, as far as i Know. A major key event that needs to happen is KH Wikia going independent, and the related vote is.....complex.
They launched the first vote, and in the middle of it a hosting option appeared. When the vote finished, a lot of people petitioned for a second vote, as they feel the options weren't clear, and some claimed that only have the active users actually voted.
So, KrytenKoro, the one running the vote, said, to be fair, all the admins who voted the first time, had to agree to a second vote, before they can actually do a second vote.
They got the last needed admin's permission last week.
Now they are working on a second vote (http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Revote), and this time around, they want to make sure all of the options are clear and detailed, so everyone can understand them.
The second vote needs to come out for independence, in order for a proper IWA to form (in my opinion), so if they vote to go to Wikkii or ShoutWiki, they can form a wiki group, but i don't think it will be an IWA!
So, like i said, it's complex.
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Loving the -IWA's there tacopill. By the way, when they form, will NIWA affiliate with them as a fellow IWA.
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Loving the -IWA's there tacopill. By the way, when they form, will NIWA affiliate with them as a fellow IWA.
Thank you. I would love for NIWA and SEIWA to affiliate, and possibly get together for wiki discussions.
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Loving the -IWA's there tacopill. By the way, when they form, will NIWA affiliate with them as a fellow IWA.
Thank you. I would love for NIWA and SEIWA to affiliate, and possibly get together for wiki discussions.
Yeah, I had thought the purpose of other IWA's was to affiliate with them
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Loving the -IWA's there tacopill. By the way, when they form, will NIWA affiliate with them as a fellow IWA.
Thank you. I would love for NIWA and SEIWA to affiliate, and possibly get together for wiki discussions.
Yeah, I had thought the purpose of other IWA's was to affiliate with them
was i not conveying that?
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Question: Would there ever be an IWA hub site if it becomes very big?
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Question: Would there ever be an IWA hub site if it becomes very big?
I would think so. It would probably link to all the member IWA's, in a similar fashion to how NIWA has it's members.
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I noticed this (http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Square_Enix_Portal#Propsed_Plan) SEIWA plan on Wikia. Currently, there is no designated Tomb Raider Wiki on the list at the bottom of the page. If you want, you could bring up this (http://wikiraider.com/index.php?title=Main_Page) wiki. It is very well-developed with over 1800 articles, and it is already independent.
Also, Square Enix published Call of Duty: Black Ops in Japan.
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Question: Would there ever be an IWA hub site if it becomes very big?
I would think so. It would probably link to all the member IWA's, in a similar fashion to how NIWA has it's members.
I think there'd be one before it even gets big. Once SEIWA forms, I'll think I'll buy a domain for it and set up a forum for collaboration and planning on the spot.
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Question: Would there ever be an IWA hub site if it becomes very big?
I would think so. It would probably link to all the member IWA's, in a similar fashion to how NIWA has it's members.
I think there'd be one before it even gets big. Once SEIWA forms, I'll think I'll buy a domain for it and set up a forum for collaboration and planning on the spot.
Sweet..... If you do so, please tell me. I would like to help out on it.
I noticed this (http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Square_Enix_Portal#Propsed_Plan) SEIWA plan on Wikia. Currently, there is no designated Tomb Raider Wiki on the list at the bottom of the page. If you want, you could bring up this (http://wikiraider.com/index.php?title=Main_Page) wiki. It is very well-developed with over 1800 articles, and it is already independent.
Also, Square Enix published Call of Duty: Black Ops in Japan.
I've added the Tomb Raider, Here (http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Square_Enix_Portal#Currently_Independ_Wikis). Don't Know what to to About CoD:BO, though.
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Don't Know what to to About CoD:BO, though.
Squeenix only holds the Japanese publishing rights to MW2 and BO; in its home country and the rest of the world (which is what should count to us Westerners), COD is 100% Activision. And given Activision's MO (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128252), I think they'd rather ally with Wikia.
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What we need is a SEIWA, a CIWA, a KIWA, and a SIWA (Square Enix, Capcom, Konami, and Sega).
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What we need is a SEIWA, a CIWA, a RIWA, and a SIWA (Square Enix, Capcom, Rare, and Sony).
A key prerequisite is finding motivated fans to run them and make them just as lively as NIWA. The SEIWA idea came about specifically because there are people interested in doing this very thing.
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What we need is a SEIWA, a CIWA, a RIWA, and a SIWA (Square Enix, Capcom, Rare, and Sony).
A key prerequisite is finding motivated fans to run them and make them just as lively as NIWA. The SEIWA idea came about specifically because there are people interested in doing this very thing.
This is true. I got kind of got lucky that someone from Kingdom Hearts Wiki found my thread (http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=387). We are going to be less likely with capcom or any of the others if we are not involved in their wikis, and/or they are not involved here.
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tacopill, you should become IWA Co-ordinator :eekdance:
If each IWA would have a different color scheme. It would be absolouetly brilliant!
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I'd second that nomination, if there were other IWAs to coordinate with right now. I think we should start putting energies in trying to start up other IWAs that are lower hanging.
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What are you guys even talking about? Does SEIWA even exist? Does anything else even exist? Is NIWA finished? Are you finished? What else do you have to deal with? Start thinking, guys, rather than just talking about stuff that sounds cool.
These other "IWA" organizations needs to come up on their own. We cannot make them. We SHOULDN'T make them. NIWA worked because of why we made it, and we did not make it for no reason. So far, I see no reason why any other IWA should exist if the Wikis who would join it don't seem to want it enough to do it themselves.
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tacopill, you should become IWA Co-ordinator :eekdance:
If each IWA would have a different color scheme. It would be absolouetly brilliant!
I'd second that nomination, if there were other IWAs to coordinate with right now. I think we should start putting energies in trying to start up other IWAs that are lower hanging.
Thank you. If i were given a chance to do so, I would try my best at it. But i would only do so with the people who have helped me get so far.
What are you guys even talking about? Does SEIWA even exist? Does anything else even exist? Is NIWA finished? Are you finished? What else do you have to deal with? Start thinking, guys, rather than just talking about stuff that sounds cool.
Never! I wouldn't be doing it unless it sounded cool in the first place.
It's why i joined NIWA in the first place. I saw the article on Bulbanews (http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/New_Nintendo_wiki_network_launches), said "Ooo, this looks cool" and signed up for the forums 5 mins later.
It's why i agreed to help start a Star Fox wiki and an EarthBound wiki: It sounded cool. (and i enjoy helping out....and i think wiki's are one of the best inventions - ever).
Also, in my opinion, NIWA can never be "finished". But it doesn't need to be in my opinion. Becuase if it was finished, then we wouldn't be no need for it any more. Everyone would move on, or we would convert to a full-fledged Nintendo fan community.
These other "IWA" organizations needs to come up on their own. We cannot make them. We SHOULDN'T make them. NIWA worked because of why we made it, and we did not make it for no reason. So far, I see no reason why any other IWA should exist if the Wikis who would join it don't seem to want it enough to do it themselves.
But who said we were forcing them to do anything? I am working with the guys in KH to form SEIWA; but only because they have expressed interest informing it. I'll recommend an idea or two, based on what i have seen working here, but it still there choice on whether or not implement it. If they wish to go with a different idea, then they can. I presume no authority over them.
Also, how are they going to want it if they don't know it exists? If we want other wikis to want IWAs to form, we need to at least introduce the idea to them and let them take it from their.
In addition, you say "we did not make it for no reason". So what reason would that be? from my stand point, it's to encourage wiki's to go independent. To get off of wiki farms. So, then why would we not want other allies helping us out? A Sega one, Capcom one, a Rare one, a Level-5 one, an Anime/Manga one and a Square-Enix one. Banding together, helping each other out.
Even if it's not coming together against a common enemy, we can still come together to swap ideas of how to run IWA's, how to better server the wiki's and the Fandoms as a whole. Because in my opinion this is what it's all for: The fans of the series themselves.
Anyway, If any wiki's/people/etc. tell me they are not interested in forming one, then i will drop the subject. If they form on their own, without my influence, then that's great. But i think the NIWA system is a great idea, and i would love it to see other of them pop-up around the internet.
And i am willing to help anyone who expresses interest in doing so.
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What are you guys even talking about? Does SEIWA even exist? Does anything else even exist? Is NIWA finished? Are you finished? What else do you have to deal with? Start thinking, guys, rather than just talking about stuff that sounds cool.
These other "IWA" organizations needs to come up on their own. We cannot make them. We SHOULDN'T make them. NIWA worked because of why we made it, and we did not make it for no reason. So far, I see no reason why any other IWA should exist if the Wikis who would join it don't seem to want it enough to do it themselves.
This post did not need reporting. Whoever reported it probably misunderstood his intention. I think he's saying focus on NIWA and don't worry about branching out and making other organizations.
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The growth of communities should not be decided by outsiders who have nothing but political stakes, but by those who are insiders who have so much more to gain (and lose) with the growth of their communities.
I think some comments are a bit short-sighted in that they assume that everyone in NIWA is focused purely on NIWA: that isn't the case. Some of us are anime fans, some of us are Square Enix fans. Some of us are Capcom fans, music fans, and other types of fans. The unifying bonds are that we all enjoy Nintendo games, and that we all participate in NIWA. That does not mean that we can not--and should not--participate in other communities that hold our interests.
As fans of other communities, we are free to share ideas we've come to learn here with our other homes, and try and improve them. The other IWA organizations will come up on their own, both by themselves and because we as NIWA exist and have influenced some of their members who are also our members.
We are not a single island in the vast whiteness of the internet, we are still a rather small suburb that is part of a rather vast city that many of us commute to every day.
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I'm a fan of a lot more than Nintendo, but it would be prudent to focus on NIWA first, or to instead go off and do these other ventures and not try to do both.
Ultimately what I'm saying is that I'd like for us to worry about NIWA first and foremost, rather than non-existent organizations, here at the NIWA forums....
Peace and love to the cat who reported me to myself. :P I replied via email.
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NIWA isn't going to be suffering from some people shifting focus onto other ventures. NIWA is well staffed, and the member wikis are well staffed. Plenty of attention is being given to NIWA from what I can see, and if there was a shortage of help I'm sure that problem would be worked on. If there is a problem, I am sadly not aware of it because I would like to help.
As far as using NIWA resources to aid in organizing other IWAs, that's a matter of policy that would need to be discussed and worked out, and made public. But I do agree that it seems a bit odd that we are discussing such things here, but then again I've seen arguments made that one of NIWA's goals is to promote wiki independence, and thus helping to organize/start up other IWAs would be in line with those goals.
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If anyone wants to create another IWA, NIWA isn't stopping them. But at the moment, the NIWA staff are focusing on improving NIWA and nobody has the will to create another IWA.
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If anyone wants to create another IWA, NIWA isn't stopping them. But at the moment, the NIWA staff are focusing on improving NIWA and nobody has the will to create another IWA.
"Nobody" in general or amongst the current "NIWA" staff?
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"Nobody" as the entire staff put together as one person.
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Well thank god that not everyone on these forums are staff, otherwise SEIWA would never get done! </sarcasm>
The more serious point: There are individual staffers who probably have plenty of free time to work on side projects. There are also plenty of non-staff on these boards (and on the individual member wikis) who are also working on side projects.
In summary: Let's be careful in making blanket statements. They may be generally true, but there are always exceptions.
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That was no a blanket statement.
If anyone wants to create another IWA, NIWA isn't stopping them. But at the moment, the NIWA staff are focusing on improving NIWA and nobody has the will to create another IWA.
"the NIWA staff" in no way makes a reference to every individual staff. It implies the staff as a group, it could mean the individual members but it doesn't have to, which makes it not a blanket statement.
Anyways, grammar lesson aside, I think SEIWA could be done if a bunch of users organized themselves together, the staff don't have to take part. Just look at the "DAWN" thing.
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Fun fact. You want in on staff discussions? Start a good Nintendo wiki, build a community, and get it into NIWA.
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There been any updates regarding Kingdom Hearts moving towards independence, or are they still planning out the details?
Furthermore, why does Kingdom Hearts Wiki need to be involved before SEIWA can take off? Are none of the other wikis interested in starting it?
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Kingdom Hearts Wiki Needs to be involved, because It was Kindgom Hearts Wiki's idea in the first place (Specifically, a User by the name of "DoorToNothing").
Other Square Enix Wiki's have expressed interest in helping out, but i don't know if any of them would take up the charge.
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There been any updates regarding Kingdom Hearts moving towards independence, or are they still planning out the details?
Voting has commenced (http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Revote)
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There been any updates regarding Kingdom Hearts moving towards independence, or are they still planning out the details?
Voting has commenced (http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Revote)
Sweet!
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So far, the SEIWA is winning, if it is not done!
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I would like to point out, that the voting ends tonight. So, as long as no recount is called, or 500 new votes come in, SEIWA is official.
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That is excellent news. :)
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That's a pretty definitive response, from the looks of things ;D
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Hello all!
So, we chose kingdomheartsdb by an overwhelming majority, and we would like to start getting the final preparations done.
However, it looks like porplemontage took the site down in the meantime, so I'm going to message him, and once the final setup is done, we'll be in business and we can start looking at an outreach program.
Thanks for all of your support, and God bless!
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Hello all!
So, we chose kingdomheartsdb by an overwhelming majority, and we would like to start getting the final preparations done.
However, it looks like porplemontage took the site down in the meantime, so I'm going to message him, and once the final setup is done, we'll be in business and we can start looking at an outreach program.
Thanks for all of your support, and God bless!
Woo! Thank you for Notifying us about this! :eekdance: :eekdance: :eekdance:
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Bump.
I've been doing some research to catch up on where the discussions about SEIWA left off. Here is what I have gathered:
- Kingdom Hearts moved from Wikia to Wikii. They can now be found at khwiki.net
- Final Fantasy Wiki decided not to move from Wikia.
- Chronopedia, and Final Fantasy XI Wiki, despite showing support for SEIWA, have not moved away from Wikia
tacopill has done a great job of starting conversation between all the parties. Unfortunately, it seems to me that FF Wiki staying has been a step backwards in the process. If anyone has more information to share, please do so.
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I've been reading the discussion regarding SEIWA over on the FF wiki. (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Proposal_to_Leave_Wikia). I'll post my comments here as apparently the admins over there did not see fit to continue the conversation despite the fact that others might add to the discussion at a later date.
After reading the complete discussion, I have to say that with the attitude many of the contributors at the FF wiki have, I would not want them in SEIWA anyway. There is a clear difference in their longterm goals and the goals of folks in NIWA. I don't understand why they seem so fiercely defensive of a wiki they neither own nor make money on.
Everyone knows what Wikipedia is. Everyone knows that it is free. Why is it that way? Because the people that control it believe that information should be freely shared. No one owns it. Information should be used for the good of everyone. Video game wikis contain information that is (arguably) less important than information on Wikipedia. Yet, it is still information that should be free. Most Wikipedia contributors do so in the interest of society as a whole. I share the same view. I contribute to video game wikis because they contain information which I both enjoy and consider important in preserving for the good of society. I would say that NIWA seems to be pretty much inline with this view.
Not so the FF wiki folks. They seem concerned with "traffic", "hits", and "search engine rankings." They care about convenience and whether someone will take advantage of their old wiki if they move. They care about how much their wiki is worth.
People have made a big deal of the changes Wikia has made over the years, most notably the different "skins" offered. However, I think the real reason for all the issues with Wikia is one of principle. Wikia exists to make money off the information they have. This is their goal above all else. Wikipedia, on the other hand, believes that the information itself is what is most important...and they have enough people that share this view to ensure it stays that way.
Anyone who contributes information to a site with goals of making money, when it could just as easily be on a site where the information itself is most important is misguided in thinking they are doing what is best for both preservation of the content and the good of society. Apparently the FF wiki doesn't mind helping Wikia make money, rather than taking a stand and saying that the content is too important to them to allow Wikia to be manipulating it for profit.
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Props for that entire last message. Justifies my preference for independent wikis.
Bump.
I've been doing some research to catch up on where the discussions about SEIWA left off. Here is what I have gathered:
- Kingdom Hearts moved from Wikia to Wikii. They can now be found at khwiki.net
- Final Fantasy Wiki decided not to move from Wikia.
- Chronopedia, and Final Fantasy XI Wiki, despite showing support for SEIWA, have not moved away from Wikia
tacopill has done a great job of starting conversation between all the parties. Unfortunately, it seems to me that FF Wiki staying has been a step backwards in the process. If anyone has more information to share, please do so.
You sure Kingdom Hearts is at Wikii? Because they don't have the button at the bottom of the page. I'm pretty sure they're independent.
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KHWiki is independent, hosted by porplemontage and is a NIWA affiliate.
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Also, They are looking to finish (http://www.khwiki.net/Forum:Re-synching_the_Wiki) the audit,before discussing what they think should be the next step.
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Apologies. I do not know where I got that there were on Wikii. I must have misread one of the discussion threads from the past months.
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it is ok. We all make mistakes. :).
In recent news, they have voted on their logo (http://www.khwiki.net/Forum:SEIWA_Logo/Vote#Logo_4).
(Although, as far as i can tell, only one wiki participated in the discussion. Hopefully people from other wiki's are also active there.).
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*bumping*
Woo... haven't posted here in a while.
If you aren't aware, SEIWA has been launched! Please check them out at http://www.seiwanetwork.org/.
Thanks everyone.