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NIWA Community => NIWA Discussion => Topic started by: Ahmlink on February 15, 2011, 04:03:36 AM
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I have recently been looking for Kid Icarus-only fan sites, and unfortunately found none. Wicarus absolutely needs fans of the series in order to grow and develop its articles. So if anyone are fans of the series or knows any fan sites, I would really be open to recieve them. I also deeply believe that Kid Icarus is an amazing series that should really get the chance to have a place in the world of video game fandom!
BTW, I just realize that Wicarus is the first independent Kid Icarus Wiki...
wicarus.gamedom.org (http://wicarus.gamedom.org)
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How many Kid Icarus wikis do we have now? Two or three?
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How many Kid Icarus wikis do we have now? Two or three?
We (NIWA) don't have any. There could be any number of Kid Icarus Wikis out there.
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Still, combining the forces of Wicarus, Palutenapedia and Kid Icarus Wikia would give you a lot more dedicated editors all working toward the same goal. ;)
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Still, combining the forces of Wicarus, Palutenapedia and Kid Icarus Wikia would give you a lot more dedicated editors all working toward the same goal. ;)
This. You'll probably be most successful if you pool your efforts.
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Still, combining the forces of Wicarus, Palutenapedia and Kid Icarus Wikia would give you a lot more dedicated editors all working toward the same goal. ;)
This. You'll probably be most successful if you pool your efforts.
Agreed.
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Still, combining the forces of Wicarus, Palutenapedia and Kid Icarus Wikia would give you a lot more dedicated editors all working toward the same goal. ;)
This. You'll probably be most successful if you pool your efforts.
Agreed.
ditto.
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Kid Icarus Wiki (http://kidicarus.wikkii.net/w/index.php?title=Main_Page) (aka Palutenapedia) has no immediate plans to go independent. So, if the ultimate goal of Wicarus is to join NIWA, I say go for it.
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You're getting way too ahead of the game with this one.
Just wait for Uprising to release before you get to it.
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You're getting way too ahead of the game with this one.
Just wait for Uprising to release before you get to it.
may i ask: get to what?
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Before they start on a Kid Icarus Wiki. I'm saying they should wait for Uprising to release first before they do that.
...Seriously, do you have that hard a time understanding such simple things? -___-
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Before they start on a Kid Icarus Wiki. I'm saying they should wait for Uprising to release first before they do that.
But there are already three Kid Icarus wikis set up. And, if one is set up and established before Uprising is released, people will have a place ready to go to with their information, instead of possibly being convinced they should set their own up, thereby giving us four or more, at least one of which can't be taken down. Or worse, joining the Wikia one, making any potential independent wiki's Wikia competitor even bigger.
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Before they start on a Kid Icarus Wiki. I'm saying they should wait for Uprising to release first before they do that.
...Seriously, do you have that hard a time understanding such simple things? -___-
How is it simple? the pronouns you are using aren't clear to me.
I mean, how am i suppose to know what "get to it." means, when i dodn't know what "it" is referring to?
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Let's keep it calm, guys.
My honest opinion is that instead of three Wikis, you should all really try to work together. Palutenapedia and Wicarus should really try to combine as one Wiki. I know that's a hard process and you are all probably proud of what you've done on your own, but you could honestly have a great Wiki if you worked together. It's up to you, though.
Good luck to you all!
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Wicarus simply offers nothing to Kid Icarus Wiki as far as a merge goes. Wicarus has a total of nine (http://wicarus.gamedom.org/index.php?title=Special:LongPages) pages of actual content, and it has shown no serious signs of growth in recent weeks. The closest thing to growth that Wicarus has seen is an influx of spam (some of which remains (http://wicarus.gamedom.org/index.php?title=I_like_the_sound_of_Peak_Beck_a_lot_more_than_Peak_Oil_62850) on the wiki).
Kid Icarus Wiki has already collaborated with several other Kid Icarus projects, and it has a fairly high Google Page Rank. Kid Icarus Wiki is just more developed, and a merge would seem counter-productive. We'd rather not attract all their spammers. I may be open to persuasion, but it'll take more than a flashy main page.
Of course, neither of our wikis is part of NIWA. As such, it would be best to avoid talks of our wiki on the NIWA forums. It would be disastrous if someone mistook either of our wikis as part of the organization when, in fact, the opposite is true.
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If and/or when you have made a decision, I'm sure we would like to know. As said before, the merge is up to you, the owners. If you decide against it, but still want part in the NIWA... you could try to become a member as a separate, unmerged wiki. Yes, there will be similar wikis floating out there, but if none are productive, then you may have less problems than you might of thought before.
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Wicarus simply offers nothing to Kid Icarus Wiki as far as a merge goes. Wicarus has a total of nine (http://wicarus.gamedom.org/index.php?title=Special:LongPages) pages of actual content, and it has shown no serious signs of growth in recent weeks. The closest thing to growth that Wicarus has seen is an influx of spam (some of which remains (http://wicarus.gamedom.org/index.php?title=I_like_the_sound_of_Peak_Beck_a_lot_more_than_Peak_Oil_62850) on the wiki).
Kid Icarus Wiki has already collaborated with several other Kid Icarus projects, and it has a fairly high Google Page Rank. Kid Icarus Wiki is just more developed, and a merge would seem counter-productive. I'd rather not attract all their spammers. I may be open to persuasion, but it'll take more than a flashy main page.
Of course, neither of our wikis is part of NIWA. As such, it would be best to avoid talks of our wiki on the NIWA forums. It would be disastrous if someone mistook either of our wikis as part of the organization when, in fact, the opposite is true.
It sounds if you do not support independence and/or a merge. Also, it sounds like you are referring to Kid Icarus Wiki as your own, when wikis are not property; only their server and domain name and crap like that are. Anyways, a merge would be great, but i do not like the current skin... dkpat?
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It sounds if you do not support independence and/or a merge. Also, it sounds like you are referring to Kid Icarus Wiki as your own, when wikis are not property; only their server and domain name and crap like that are. Anyways, a merge would be great, but i do not like the current skin... dkpat?
Wha? lol, I almost missed that you mentioned me. :P
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Wicarus simply offers nothing to Kid Icarus Wiki as far as a merge goes. Wicarus has a total of nine (http://wicarus.gamedom.org/index.php?title=Special:LongPages) pages of actual content, and it has shown no serious signs of growth in recent weeks. The closest thing to growth that Wicarus has seen is an influx of spam (some of which remains (http://wicarus.gamedom.org/index.php?title=I_like_the_sound_of_Peak_Beck_a_lot_more_than_Peak_Oil_62850) on the wiki).
Kid Icarus Wiki has already collaborated with several other Kid Icarus projects, and it has a fairly high Google Page Rank. Kid Icarus Wiki is just more developed, and a merge would seem counter-productive. I'd rather not attract all their spammers. I may be open to persuasion, but it'll take more than a flashy main page.
Of course, neither of our wikis is part of NIWA. As such, it would be best to avoid talks of our wiki on the NIWA forums. It would be disastrous if someone mistook either of our wikis as part of the organization when, in fact, the opposite is true.
It sounds if you do not support independence and/or a merge. Also, it sounds like you are referring to Kid Icarus Wiki as your own, when wikis are not property.
I support independence; as far as I am concerned, Wikkii's advanced hosting service offers independence. If Wicarus wants to "merge" with Icaruspedia, they are free to do so. Kid Icarus Wiki will not participate in the merge under current circumstances (again, open to persuasion).
As far as my "ownership" of Kid Icarus Wiki, wikis are run (and de facto owned) by the community. As the only active member of the Kid Icarus Wiki community, I do assume the right and responsibility to represent Kid Icarus Wiki.
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Why work separately and compete with each other when you have the ability to work together to achieve the same goal? :eekdance: Just sayin' ;)
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Why work separately and compete with each other when you have the ability to work together to achieve the same goal? :eekdance: Just sayin' ;)
Ahmlink (and any other users on Wicarus and/or Icaruspedia) are welcome to contribute on Kid Icarus Wiki.
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Why work separately and compete with each other when you have the ability to work together to achieve the same goal? :eekdance: Just sayin' ;)
Ahmlink (and any other users on Wicarus and/or Icaruspedia) are welcome to contribute on Kid Icarus Wiki.
Well, if all merged into an independent (not advanced crap), then the wiki that this is about would be ready to be a NIWA member. NIWA does not care if it is advanced hosting- it is not independent. I strongly support a merge, but it would mean them leaving Wikkii and going to be independent with Wicarus.
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From what I gather from the Join NIWA (http://www.niwanetwork.org/join.php) page on the Hub, Wikkii, advanced hosting or not, is not classed as an independent host. I may be wrong, but I personally wouldn't call Wikkii's "advanced hosting" independent. It's still hosted by a wiki farm, after all.
So, if you're not willing to pay for hosting, the best option is really to merge to Wicarus. I'd love to see an independent Kid Icarus wiki join, but Wikkii doesn't truly offer independence. They may seem much better than Wikia now, but they still own the wikis, and if they wanted to, they could close down their advanced hosting, and you wouldn't have any say in it.
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Well, if all merged into an independent (not advanced crap), then the wiki that this is about would be ready to be a NIWA member. NIWA does not care if it is advanced hosting- it is not independent. I strongly support a merge, but it would mean them leaving Wikkii and going to be independent with Wicarus.
Kid Icarus Wiki won't shape its policies to fit into NIWA. The wiki is not dependent on NIWA, and its ultimate goal is not to join NIWA. Its ultimate goal is to provide Kid Icarus fans with an online community. Independence for the sake of independence is a rather silly idea.
So, if you're not willing to pay for hosting, the best option is really to merge to Wicarus. I'd love to see an independent Kid Icarus wiki join, but Wikkii doesn't truly offer independence. They may seem much better than Wikia now, but they still own the wikis, and if they wanted to, they could close down their advanced hosting, and you wouldn't have any say in it.
I understand and agree with this. However, advanced hosting does provide the wiki with the tools that it needs to develop a solid fan community. In the end, that's all Kid Icarus Wiki aims to do; joining NIWA is nothing more than a side objective.
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If it does not want to join, then why is it being discussed?
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If it does not want to join, then why is it being discussed?
At the beginning of the thread, you will see that those who suggested the merger are not members of Kid Icarus Wiki.
Of course, neither of our wikis is part of NIWA. As such, it would be best to avoid talks of our wiki on the NIWA forums. It would be disastrous if someone mistook either of our wikis as part of the organization when, in fact, the opposite is true.
It sounds if you do not support independence and/or a merge. Also, it sounds like you are referring to Kid Icarus Wiki as your own, when wikis are not property; only their server and domain name and crap like that are. Anyways, a merge would be great, but i do not like the current skin... dkpat?
In fact, you are the person who continued the discussion after the wiki explicitly said that merger discussions need not be discussed on these forums.
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To be clear, what you call "independence for independence's sake" is why we created NIWA in the first place.
However, talk of the two merging is done. We don't need to argue here. If he doesn't see the point, he doesn't see the point. It's no my wiki, and so I won't waste my time launching into the many valid and overwhelming reasons why the two should merge, even if it's on another server entirely than anything currently existing.
This thread is now about what it is titled and the OP discusses - Kid Icarus fans and fansites.
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Here (http://www.3dskidicarus.com/) is a blog about the 3DS in general. However, it does have a heavier emphasis on Kid Icarus than on other games.
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Here (http://www.3dskidicarus.com/) is a blog about the 3DS in general. However, it does have a heavier emphasis on Kid Icarus than on other games.
well...it does have Kid Icarus in the name..... :laugh:
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I think if you did merge(which would just be telling him to quit his wiki and join yours), the least you could take is the front page layout. That is amazing.
[mod]This thread is now about what it is titled and the OP discusses - Kid Icarus fans and fansites.
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Okay, I concede. I am willing to discuss the terms of a potential merger with Wicarus. I have also contacted Icaruspedia (Wikia) to see if they are interested in merging. The release of Uprising should see the biggest surge in Kid Icarus fans ever; it would be a waste not to take advantage of that.
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I look forward to seeing if you all can make some sort of merger into a site that will benefit all of the current sites' users. Good luck!
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I look forward to seeing if you all can make some sort of merger into a site that will benefit all of the current sites' users. Good luck!
Good Luck as well!
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Excuse me. Isn't the site Kid Icarus Shrine (http://www.flyingomelette.com/kidicarus/kidicarusshrine.html) considered a Kid Icarus fansite? Although, granted, it is mostly focused on merely the first game (since it is one of the host's video game shrines), and it doesn't really have a community. Regardless, this site is ridiculously full on info about everything about the original Kid Icarus. You might find the site's archives very helpful indeed.
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Excuse me. Isn't the site Kid Icarus Shrine (http://www.flyingomelette.com/kidicarus/kidicarusshrine.html) considered a Kid Icarus fansite? Although, granted, it is mostly focused on merely the first game (since it is one of the host's video game shrines), and it doesn't really have a community. Regardless, this site is ridiculously full on info about everything about the original Kid Icarus. You might find the site's archives very helpful indeed.
...That site hasn't been updated in ages, and it's dead as of now.
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Excuse me. Isn't the site Kid Icarus Shrine (http://www.flyingomelette.com/kidicarus/kidicarusshrine.html) considered a Kid Icarus fansite? Although, granted, it is mostly focused on merely the first game (since it is one of the host's video game shrines), and it doesn't really have a community. Regardless, this site is ridiculously full on info about everything about the original Kid Icarus. You might find the site's archives very helpful indeed.
...That site hasn't been updated in ages, and it's dead as of now.
That's sad to hear. I don't like it when fan sites die.....
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That's sad to hear. I don't like it when fan sites die.....
I don't like it when wikis die. Anything happening in this department?
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That's sad to hear. I don't like it when fan sites die.....
I don't like it when wikis die. Anything happening in this department?
No, not really. Ahmlink never contacted me back about a merge; the Kid Icarus wiki on Wikia would prefer to stay on Wikia; and my wiki is nothing without a community.
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Sadface. Something must be done. I might be willing to lend a hand, especially if a merge happens. Let me know what I can do.
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Yeah it is sad; unfortunately, I really don't know what can be done. We and other NIWA users could continue to expand it, but the effort is futile without a genuine Kid Icarus community. I think the only hope is that Kid Icarus: Uprising for the 3DS brings many new fans to the series.
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it may not be a good solution, but if you want, i could host the Kid Icarus Wiki(s) in a wiki-group i am working on (nothing like NIWA, but a higher co-affilation).
In that, the editors from the other wiki's would be encouraged to help one another out and could be packaged up in affiliation requests.
It's not as good as a Kid Icarus focused community, but it might be the start of a community none-the-less.
So, you interested?
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Yeah, it's not a solution, but it is a step in the right direction. I am open to talks with both of the other Kid Icarus wikis and your idea sounds intriguing. I'm definitely interested.
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Yeah it is sad; unfortunately, I really don't know what can be done. We and other NIWA users could continue to expand it, but the effort is futile without a genuine Kid Icarus community. I think the only hope is that Kid Icarus: Uprising for the 3DS brings many new fans to the series.
Don't worry about it. Kid Icarus Wikia is quite active, maybe you could become a well known contributor there, since you know loads about Kid Icarus. It would be a lot more fun than editing by yourself, and there's already a structure to expand on. Maybe you could help out Arkatox on his Kid Icarus Uprisen blog.
Fans don't come all at once, for example have you heard about Operation Rainfall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rainfall). It's a building petition of people who want to get Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, and Pandora's Tower localized outside of Japan.
I wouldn't say the Starfy community was very large at all, its definitely one of the most fragmented I've ever seen. I haven't seen any active Starfy fansites, except for Starfy Wiki itself and like one or two (http://imasara217.blog33.fc2.com/) Japanese websites.
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Well, I've had a lot of stuff going on outside of video games recently so I don't spend too much time on wikis or Kid Icarus anymore. But if the Kid Icarus Wikia goes independent or NIWA sets up a Kid Icarus Wiki, they are free to use my work.
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Yeah, it's not a solution, but it is a step in the right direction. I am open to talks with both of the other Kid Icarus wikis and your idea sounds intriguing. I'm definitely interested.
Thank you. If any of the wiki's need a host, just send me an PM and i will get the ball rolling when i next am able to.