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NIWA Discussion / Re: Proposing some decrees.
« on: October 11, 2010, 08:50:14 PM »
Hopefully it will work out for them. =(

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NIWA Discussion / Re: Leader
« on: October 11, 2010, 07:14:47 AM »
I feel like this was ignored.

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NIWA Discussion / Re: Leader
« on: October 09, 2010, 08:56:10 AM »
I just want to make sure we don't forget this ongoing discussion. Does anybody else have anything to add?

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The Lounge / Re: Wikia announces new layout
« on: October 04, 2010, 01:48:02 AM »
I'd rather be listed as a Wiki Farm than not listed at all. I'll find a way to throw us in there.

Edit: Done. Check it, yo! =]

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NIWA Discussion / Re: Leader
« on: October 03, 2010, 09:37:30 AM »
I think it'd be best if we let a few more people weigh in and state if they even want a Leader of this nature at all. I think making a poll at this point is a bit hasty. We've lasted this long without a Leader. I think we can spare a few more days to just take our time with it.

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NIWA Discussion / Re: Proposing some decrees.
« on: October 03, 2010, 04:04:38 AM »
Which is why he was saying we shouldn't kick those Wikis out. And, even if they become inactive, if they're fairly good sources of information, then that's all that matters, really.

However, it's another matter entirely if, say, Zelda Wiki went super inactive and was falling apart, and hadn't updated in a year, while GANON WIKI was updating hundreds of times a day, and had a vast collection of information to rival or surpass Zelda Wiki, then what do we do? :P

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NIWA Discussion / Re: Proposing some decrees.
« on: October 03, 2010, 04:00:23 AM »
I'm talking about the things we've been discussing in Private Boards. They should stay private for now, I think. ;)

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NIWA Discussion / Re: Proposing some decrees.
« on: October 03, 2010, 03:56:01 AM »
Ah, I did not know that. Perhaps after we've settled some of our own internal issues, we might be able to approach them again, stating such, our deep regrets at the failures of the past, and that if they're willing, we are willing to do everything we can for them. That is seriously a mistake we need to fix. I think, though, that 3rd time's the charm, so if it doesn't work a third time, we need to just leave them alone until they come to us. (For anyone who's wondering, this third approach of ours would probably not happen until 2011 at the earliest. :P)

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NIWA Discussion / Re: Proposing some decrees.
« on: October 03, 2010, 02:03:27 AM »
I...do not agree with many of these.

#1. We are, and Always will be NIWA, a nintendo-focus alignment. Member wikis should be chosen based on their activeness, growth rate, scope, etc.

I think that saying we will "always" be a Nintendo-focused alignment is shortsighted. Also, as it is, member Wikis are chosen on no set of standards.

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#1a. New members shall be help up to the standard of  a specific number of non-stub articles, based off of how many games that franchise has and how complex each game is. (EarthBoud would more articles per game than Star Fox, even though there are more Star Fox Games).

Similar attempts at regulating members have been made, and ultimately removed. We do not control any Wiki in our organization. We have yet to establish uniform Quality Standards.

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#1b. Wiki's that cover more than just nintendo, need to prove they have active Nintendo-related subsections.

For as long as we are NIWA, sure. I agree with this. What "active Nintendo-related subsections" ultimately entails is far more ambiguous.

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#2. Once a member of NIWA, always a member of niwa (to prevent someone from Kicking out a wiki for there in-activeness). However, they may be removed if they request it or the NIWA community-at-large determines there quality has fallen far below comparable standards.

By far the trickiest thing you said. How do we enforce this if we don't control a Wiki? Again, we have no Quality Standards.

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#3. Wikia is Ok. Not good, but not bad.

I disagree, I think Wikia is a piece of s***. I'd love to see every Wiki on their independent and loving it. Is that feasible? Not at all. If Joe Schmoe wants to start a random Wiki, then Wikia's great for him...to start. That's how I see it. A starting ground that eventually all should move from.

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#3a. Those who choose to become part of a Wiki Farm are entirely in their own right, just as those who choose to leave it.

Of course. This goes without saying. It is their right.

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#3b. We may encourage a wiki to leave a wiki farm, but we can't be a pest  about it. Remember, an often heard voice can become an often ignored one quite easily.

I suppose, sure. I don't think we've ever come close to encountering this problem. The only one I see this having any bearing on was the Fantendo Fiasco, and I think we've been a bit too embarrassed to approach them again at this point.

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#3c. If a Wiki on a Wiki Farm is being treated well, just let them be.

I strongly disagree here. We should encourage anybody and everybody to become independent, even if they are "doing fine" or being "treated well" by their Farm Overlords.

You have a lot of ideas, and I think that you're going to be a great influence here at NIWA. Perhaps my post sounds a bit cynical, but I'm pointing out a few glaring flaws with NIWA:

- No uniform Quality Standards
- No uniform stance on Wikia and other Wiki Farms
- There seems to be a growing disparity between the older and new members of NIWA over the organizations goals and motives. Maybe that's just me.

I'm sure there are more, but I'm not going to run the place into the ground right now.

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The Lounge / Re: Wikia announces new layout
« on: October 02, 2010, 07:50:14 PM »
http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Anti-Wikia_Alliance/comments#NIWA

They moved it. I'm going to list us under their "Useful External Links" section.

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The Lounge / Re: Wikia announces new layout
« on: October 02, 2010, 04:15:14 AM »
Odd indeed. Don't ask me lol.

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NIWA Discussion / Re: Suggestions
« on: October 02, 2010, 04:13:26 AM »
As I've said before, I think that's silly. It's overcomplicated and it's honestly dreaming bigger than we are, or even have close to the capability of achieving. Let's be NIWA first, before we start talking about what we'll be after that. We've hardly begun on being NIWA.

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NIWA Discussion / Re: Suggestions
« on: October 02, 2010, 12:40:02 AM »
What I meant was the rejection of Wikis such as Fantendo and Rare Witch Project.

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NIWA Discussion / Re: Suggestions
« on: October 01, 2010, 11:33:12 PM »
We have discussed, as a staff, these possibilities. I've never been opposed to allowing mostly-Nintendo Wikis from joining, but there are some purists among us who are opposed. It's something we have to all decide - are we Hardline Nintendo-only, or not? Are we moving to eventually become "IWA" to be all-inclusive? These are important things to decide.

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The Lounge / Re: Wikia announces new layout
« on: October 01, 2010, 11:09:36 PM »
The NIWA Section is still there...somebody else had trouble seeing it earlier, too. I don't know why, but I assure you, it's there.

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The Lounge / Re: Wikia announces new layout
« on: October 01, 2010, 08:04:44 PM »
http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Anti-Wikia_Alliance

I am going to contact their apparent Leader and inform them of NIWA as an option for any Nintendo-based Wikis that are considering being a part of or are a part of their movement. This will probably be good for us.

Edit: Nevermind, I just added on to their page.

http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Anti-Wikia_Alliance#NIWA

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Membership and Affiliate Requests / Re: Fire Emblem
« on: October 01, 2010, 07:35:03 PM »
It seems like Amy's wiki is going in the right direction, and it looks like Wikia's is plagued by a lot of the same issues that most Wikia wikis are plagued by. Perhaps the two should be encouraged to form some kind of merger? There's already a server up, owned by Amy, with a good domain name. The two could work together, and it would not cost those over at Fire Emblem Wikia anything. They'd simply have to work together with Amy, which is not terribly difficult to do.

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NIWA Discussion / Re: Leader
« on: October 01, 2010, 03:25:55 AM »
I'm posting just to quickly say that I am willing to do this if it's asked of me. I know I am capable, and I have experience both offline and online. Know that this was not initially an idea sparked by me, and it's not an attempt to grab any power. I'm willing to help if it's wanted.

It's also very VERY important that everybody is honest. I will not take anything personally, so if you have something to say, please don't hold back. If you have a question for me, I will answer as quickly and honestly as I can.

Otherwise, I think it proper for me to take a bit of a back seat in this discussion.

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Hehe

this made me giggle.

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Membership and Affiliate Requests / Re: Alliance Requests
« on: February 16, 2010, 09:35:01 PM »
I still think barring Fantendo is elitist and shortsighted. That's about all I've got to say about that.

Also, here's another one that was a point of contention: http://www.rarewitchproject.com/wiki/Main_Page

What do you guys think?

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