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I have always used Internet Explorer. It's what I grew up using and it's what I'm used to. About last week though, I downloaded Firefox and I realized how much more tools it has. I am in a transition period right now I guess; I try to use Firefox when I remember, but I often open Internet Explore by habit which is why I'm using it right now.

I use Opera on the extremely rare occurences that I use the Wii's Internet Channel (probably once or twice in the last 18 months). I use it a lot on my DSi though.

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I like this. I would think most people who know something about Earthbound know it from Super Smash Bros (and those who knew it previously have probably played Super Smash Bros). Because of that, I don't think there will be any problem as far as recognition goes. The logo can further solidify that recognition.

If you think about it, Bulbapedia and Lylat Wiki have names that aren't just the name of their respective series.

A
Ace Attorney Wiki (it seems Turboo is working on having a wiki for this subject)
Animal Crossing (being discussed by staff)

C
Custom Robo (series)

E
EarthBound (series) (it seems Tacopill is working on having a wiki for this subject)

F
F-Zero
Fire Emblem

G
Game & Watch
Golden Sun (series)

K
Kid Icarus (series)

L
The Legendary Starfy (series)

P
Pikmin (series)
Punch-Out!!
Puzzle League (series)

S
Star Fox (series) (I think that Neo is working on this with Tacopill...?)
Super Smash Bros. (series) (discussion has been going on for a while)

T
Touch! Generations

Touch Generations will more likely than not be covered by Gamehiker if they join NIWA.

I haven't played any of the Earthbound games aside from SSBB, but I can probably help a little. I can write some basic articles and proofread some more in-depth articles.

Methinks the number of games in a single series does not justify the size of a wiki at all! For example, there had been five official games in the Star Fox series, two cancelled games (which one has been fully leaked into the internet), with a rumour a sixth game in currently in the works, and the series has a big fandom, loads of merchandise, and additionally three characters, with several related elements, in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and one of the characters is a veteran since the very first game. However, apparently, the Star Fox wiki on Wikia seems to have a lot less articles than the Wikia wiki about the Mother series, which only has three games by far, each one almost a decade apart!

Good point. I think a good way to see if a franchise has enough content and support for its own wiki is to look at how many articles the wikia version has. For example, Pikmin only has two games. However, it has over 1,200 article on http://pikmin.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page . This shows that it has enough content in its games to justify a wiki, and enough fans to support it. The Legendary Starfy, in contrast, has five games, but less than 200 articles. I think wikia's article account is more important than the number of games when deciding which franchises deserve a wiki.

I believe we can include the many one-timers in a collective wiki, and call it like the "Nintendo 8-Bit Generation Wiki" or something...

This is in the works. In the past few pages, you may have noticed us talking about a meta-wiki. In case you didn't know what that meant, it's basically going to be a wiki for franchises that don't have enough content for their own, separate wiki.

So here's what's left:
•Fire Emblem (Ten games, two playable appearances in SSB, manga)
•Ace Attorney (Five games, one game to be released, manga)
•Professor Layton (Four games released, one game to be released, one film, two novels, manga)

Here are the ones that others or myself believe are in a gray area:
•Pikmin (Two games, one game to be released, one non-playable appearance in SSB)
•Golden Sun (Two games, one game to be released, assist trophy in SSBB)
•Earthbound/Mother (Three games, three playable appearances in SSB, manga)
•F-Zero (Six games released, one expansion pack, one arcade game, anime series, three playable appearances in SSB)
•Punch-Out!! (Three games, one WiiWare mini-game, one spin-off game, assist trophy in SSBB)
•Trauma Center (Four games, one game to be released)

Fire Emblem seems to be a good place to start creating wikis.

Well, people, for those franchises that dont have a wiki, or that are too minor, we, the NIWA staff, are planning to make a Nintendo Wiki to cover Nintendo stuff and those franchises

Would you say that all of the following franchises are deserving of their own wiki, or do you think any of these franchises are too minor?

•Earthbound/Mother
•F-Zero
•Fire Emblem
•Pikmin
•Punch-Out!!
•Ace Attorney
•Prof. Layton (not official, but presumably)
•Trauma Center? (not sure yet)
•Golden Sun (what Jo said)

I'm not an expert at any of the franchises under category 3, but I would be able to help with the basics of any of the potential wikis. I'm also willing to do research on any of the franchises.

Here's how I rank them (from easiest to hardest):

• Super Mario Bros. 3
• Super Mario Bros.
• Super Mario Bros. 2 (U.S. Version)
• Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels

I still have not played Super Mario World.

Megaman does not belong in the NIWA. It is not exclusive to Nintendo consoles. Ace Attorney's ports on the iPhone can be overlooked for two reasons. First, the iPhone is not even a serious video game console, nor is it a competitor to the DS. The release of Ace Attorney on the iPhone barely takes away from the exclusive status it has on the Nintendo DS. Additionally, the iPhone ports were just a minor afterthought, whereas the release of Megaman games on other consoles are planned. In no way whatsoever does Capcom even attempt to maintain Megaman as a franchise exclusive to Nintnedo consoles.

Those who have followed this thread since its beginning will know that Sonic was ruled ineligible for the same reasons. If you let Megaman in, then you'd have to let Sonic in. Then it will be Street Fighter, Bomberman, and Contra. These don't belong in this alliance.

As far as No More Heroes goes, its only been two games. It's too early to tell if it will stay Nintendo-exclusive. Besides that, two games does not warrant a wiki fit for this alliance. Games like Kid Icarus, Ballon Fight, Wrecking Crew, and Game & Watch are more deserving of a wiki; yet, they will more likely than not end up in a meta-wiki where No More Heroes also belongs.

Revised list

1) Franchises in the NIWA
-Mario (Super Mario Wiki)
-The Legend of Zelda (Zelda Wiki)
-Pokémon (Bulbapedia)

2) Franchises with plans regarding NIWA membership
-Metroid (Metroid Wiki)
-Kirby (WiKirby)
-Wars (Wars Wiki)
-Star Fox (Lylat Wiki)
-Animal Crossing (Currently on Wikkii)
-Smash Bros. (Reserved by NIWA staff)

3) Popular Nintendo Franchises Without Independent Wikis
-F-Zero
-Fire Emblem (Possible member in FEWiki)
-Earthbound/Mother
-Pikmin
-Nintendogs (Does this belong here? It really is only one game with numerous variations)
-Punch-Out!!
-Ace Attorney
-Trauma Center (I'm assuming this is in the same boat as Ace Attorney; I may be wrong)

4) Franchises that would belong in a meta-wiki
-Too many to list

There actually was a Donkey Kong Wiki until 2007, which was set up by Porplemontage (the owner of the MarioWiki). However, he shut it down after it was deemed unnecessary to have; coverage on the Mario, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and Wario series remains on the Super Mario Wiki.

So were all the articles in the Donkey Kong wiki merged into Super Mario Wiki?

So to organize it we have

1) Franchises With an Already Aligned Wiki
-Mario (Super Mario Wiki)
-The Legend of Zelda (Zelda Wiki)
-Pokémon (Bulbapedia)

2) Franchises With a Wiki That Needs More Growth Before Alliance
-Metroid (Metroid Wiki)
-Kirby (WiKirby)
-Wars (Wars Wiki)

3) Spin-Off Franchises That Will Be Given a Wiki After Non Spin-Offs All Get One (Serious Franchises Marked With *)
-*Donkey Kong (Super Mario Wiki)
-Mario Kart (Super Mario Wiki)
-Mario Party (Super Mario Wiki)
-*Wario (Super Mario Wiki)
-*Yoshi (Super Mario Wiki)
-*Super Smash Bros. (Every Allie)
-Tingle (Zelda Wiki)

4) Popular Nintendo Franchises Without Independent Wikis
-Animal Crossing
-F-Zero
-Fire Emblem
-Earthbound/Mother
-Pikmin
-Nintendogs
-Punch-Out!!
-Star Fox

5) Less Important Franchises Without Wikis

-Chibi-Robo
-Custom Robo
-Excite Racing
-Game & Watch
-Golden Sun
-Kid Icarus
-The Legendary Starfy
-Pilot Wings
-Puzzle League
-Sin & Punishment
-Touch! Generations/Wii
-Wave Race

Think I got them all.

Nice list. As Tucayo said, DK, Yoshi, and Wario should remain with SMW. I actually think all of the series under #3 should stay in their respective wikis except for Super Smash Bros.

Trauma Center is in the same boat as Ace Attorney.

That's what I just said.

I'm just adding that Nintendo actually publishes Kirby, whereas Nintendo does not publish Sonic.

I've been tempted to make the "Sonic isn't made by Nintendo" argument, but then the counterexample would be Kirby. (Though Kirby has never appeared on anything but Nintendo consoles)

So it's hard to say.

Kirby is developed by HAL Laboratory which makes games exclusively for Nintendo consoles, and Kirby is published by Nintendo.

I'm not sure how feasible this actually is, but maybe if we can contact the people who created this: http://www.fewiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page, we could absorb its remnants.

On a sidenote, I think Fantendo should be included in the alliance, but as some sort of an affiliate, not a full-fledged member because it is only fanon. I definitely don't think Sonic should be included because that opens the door to a bunch of other franchises such as Resident Evil, Mega Man, EA Sports, etc.

And, this is for the wikis: global login in all? Would be useful, eh?

I'm not sure about this. The one thing that would worry me is that we have some users that have accounts on two or more of the wikis... There might be some way of merging the accounts globally (I think they call it Userpering on Wikipedia). If all of the wikis would agree to that, then that would be good.

This would be really cool. It shouldn't be impossible. Facebook allows you to sync your account with accounts on other sites. Let's hope the other wikis approve of it.