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NIWA Community => NIWA Discussion => Membership and Affiliate Requests => Topic started by: Garlic Man on February 15, 2010, 06:54:33 AM
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This thread is to request joining the Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance for ambitious, high-quality, independently hosted Wikis that are interested in joining the movement.
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We could try to get SmashWiki (http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) to join the alliance. After all, Super Smash Bros is loved by many people, and there are a lot of good quality articles in this relating to the Super Smash Bros games (Characters, stages, items, modes etc.) and some in-depth information on the characters themselves in their respective franchises.
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We could try to get SmashWiki (http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) to join the alliance. After all, Super Smash Bros is loved by many people, and there are a lot of good quality articles in this relating to the Super Smash Bros games (Characters, stages, items, modes etc.) and some in-depth information on the characters themselves in their respective franchises.
It's not independent, though.
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Good point, but it's not exactly easy to find an independent wikipedia these days; most of them are linked to the Wikia site...
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Yes, the point of this is to take the independent wikis only. Wikia wikis are out of the question, I'm afraid. We could ask them about moving off of Wikia, though.
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StrategyWii? BP's linked there numerous times.
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Apparently we're gonna get some sort of Meta-Wiki soon, so I suggest that we use the Super Mario Wiki's Meta-Wiki, Userpedia (http://userpedia.adriels.com)
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Apparently we're gonna get some sort of Meta-Wiki soon, so I suggest that we use the Super Mario Wiki's Meta-Wiki, Userpedia (http://userpedia.adriels.com)
Okay then.
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Apparently we're gonna get some sort of Meta-Wiki soon, so I suggest that we use the Super Mario Wiki's Meta-Wiki, Userpedia (http://userpedia.adriels.com)
Okay then.
Isn't that decision a little fast? oô
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Again, Strategy Wiki is on Wikia. We don't need to cut all ties with Wikia wikis, but I think allowing them to join would defeat the pupose of being an "Independent" wiki alliance.
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Regarding Userpedia, I don't think it would be a good fit. Our "Meta-Wiki" is going to be about Nintendo Series that don't yet have a dedicated wiki in the alliance. It will also cover the alliance itself.
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It's sort of hard to find an independent Wiki since most of them are tied with Wikia. Probably because Wikia is free and easy to use to begin with.
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It's sort of hard to find an independent Wiki since most of them are tied with Wikia. Probably because Wikia is free and easy to use to begin with.
That's exactly the reason why this organization was founded.
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Regarding Userpedia, I don't think it would be a good fit. Our "Meta-Wiki" is going to be about Nintendo Series that don't yet have a dedicated wiki in the alliance. It will also cover the alliance itself.
This. Not to mention, Userpedia is of very, very low quality.
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So basically we need to avoid non-independent Wiki's (Neoseeker, Wikia etc.) and/or wiki's that are generally poor.
Also, franchises that have been crossed-over don't count (Metal Gear, Pac-man, Sonic the Hedghog etc.)
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Regarding Userpedia, I don't think it would be a good fit. Our "Meta-Wiki" is going to be about Nintendo Series that don't yet have a dedicated wiki in the alliance. It will also cover the alliance itself.
This. Not to mention, Userpedia is of very, very low quality.
Per.
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The only independent Nintendo wiki I know of apart fro the three already in the alliance is Metroid Wiki (not the wikia one, of course), but it's less than a month old.
What about wikis about things that aren't exclusively Nintendo?
Would those qualify?
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We don't count non-Nintendo Wikipedias.
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Isn't there one independant Animal Crossing Wiki?
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We don't count non-Nintendo Wikipedias.
Well those wikis aren't necessarily non-Nintendo. Say Sonic, for example, it's practically Nintendo nowadays, and almost every Sonic game ever released can be found on a Nintendo platform, save for one, which is considered as the worst one, unless I've missed a few.
But if that doesn't qualify,there's always that Metroid wiki I mentioned.
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You mean this Metroid Wiki (http://www.metroidwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page)? The quality of the articles is iffy, but we could try to work around that... or not...
There is also a Kirbypedia (http://wikirby.info/wiki/Main_Page) I found recently, but whether or not it's good is questionable at best.
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The only independent Nintendo wiki I know of apart fro the three already in the alliance is Metroid Wiki (not the wikia one, of course), but it's less than a month old.
What about wikis about things that aren't exclusively Nintendo?
Would those qualify?
This is a great suggestion. According to its "About page" (http://www.metroidwiki.org/index.php/Metroid_Wiki:About (http://www.metroidwiki.org/index.php/Metroid_Wiki:About)), it's only been up for less than a week, and it already has 76 articles. It was also started by a couple of people from Zelda Informer - which helps with ZeldaWiki.org - so I think this wiki will definitely become a part of this network as soon as it develops.
The same goes for WiKirby (http://wikirby.info/wiki/WiKirby:About (http://wikirby.info/wiki/WiKirby:About)). From what I understand, it was created by the members of the three original NIWA wikis with the sole purpose of enlarging the scope of the alliance.
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You mean this Metroid Wiki (http://www.metroidwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page)? The quality of the articles is iffy, but we could try to work around that... or not...
There is also a Kirbypedia (http://www.kirbysrainbowresort.net/kirbypedia/Main_Page) I found recently, but whether or not it's good is questionable at best.
Well it's definitely more developed than WiKirby.
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Both of those wikis are ours :)
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Hello everyone, I am Hemu and I am speaking on behalf of my superiors on Fantendo
Super Mario Bros. has told me about him proposing Fantendo into the alliance, and we are fine with being in this alliance, as fantendo would get more community from this
also we are planning moving off wikia and cleaning up the place
That is all
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I clicked "Random Page" on Kirbypedia and this is what I got: http://www.kirbysrainbowresort.net/kirbypedia/Amon
It has quality issues that need to be handled before consideration.
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Hello everyone, I am Hemu and I am speaking on behalf of my superiors on Fantendo
Super Mario Bros. has told me about him proposing Fantendo into the alliance, and we are fine with being in this alliance, as fantendo would get more community from this
also we are planning moving off wikia and cleaning up the place
That is all
Hello Hemu :)
SMB told us about Fantndo willing to be in the Alliance. I supported it, but i think it shouldnt be a "main" affiliate because its fanon, but I see it as a great option
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I clicked "Random Page" on Kirbypedia and this is what I got: http://www.kirbysrainbowresort.net/kirbypedia/Amon
It has quality issues that need to be handled before consideration.
Wouldn't this be one of the purposes of the alliance in the first place? Of course there must be some required level of quality, but isn't one of the purposes of this alliance to improve on everything the wiki's had separately? This would help it enormously. The same goes for the Metroid Wiki, but it probably should be given time, as it's only been up for less than a month, but both of those have connections to the wikis in this alliance.
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IIRC, Kirbypedia does not allow open registration. It's essentially only for the staff of Kirby's Rainbow Resort. Therefore, I think it's disqualified.
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IIRC, Kirbypedia does not allow open registration. It's essentially only for the staff of Kirby's Rainbow Resort. Therefore, I think it's disqualified.
Wrong Kirbypedia http://wikirby.info/wiki/Main_Page
You probably looked at the one at rainbow resort becomes the person who posted the link to Wikirby named it kirbypedia.
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IIRC, Kirbypedia does not allow open registration. It's essentially only for the staff of Kirby's Rainbow Resort. Therefore, I think it's disqualified.
Wrong Kirbypedia http://wikirby.info/wiki/Main_Page
You probably looked at the one at rainbow resort becomes the person who posted the link to Wikirby named it kirbypedia.
What you just said made no sense to me.
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What I meant is, the Kirby wiki 2257 talked about and the one that may be considered for the alliance are tow different wikis.
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2257 was talking about Kirbypedia.
Also, which do you mean by "the one that may be considered for the alliance"
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I believe the one that may be considered is this wiki. (http://wikirby.info/wiki/Main_Page)
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I believe the one that may be considered is this wiki. (http://wikirby.info/wiki/Main_Page)
That's what I thought too, but I think Level 3 is talking about the other one.
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I was talking about Kirbypedia. Kirbypedia is ineligible.
WiKirby will get into the alliance when it's ready. It was indeed created for that specific purpose.
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Hello everyone, I am Hemu and I am speaking on behalf of my superiors on Fantendo
Super Mario Bros. has told me about him proposing Fantendo into the alliance, and we are fine with being in this alliance, as fantendo would get more community from this
also we are planning moving off wikia and cleaning up the place
That is all
Hello Hemu :)
SMB told us about Fantndo willing to be in the Alliance. I supported it, but i think it shouldnt be a "main" affiliate because its fanon, but I see it as a great option
So there are "tiers" of affiliates? Even though Fantendo focuses on fanon, it's specifically Nintendo fanon. It would be silly to rank Fantendo below the others IMO because I can't think of any other major wiki that would also be ranked below the others. Fantendo would be the only one below the others, which is silly and unneeded.
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Well, I didnt exactly mean that. We have SMW, BP and ZW as the "Main" wikis.
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I would consider adding a Star Fox Wiki and an F-Zero Wiki, but I don't know any independent ones.
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Well, I didnt exactly mean that. We have SMW, BP and ZW as the "Main" wikis.
Well yeah, but I don't think they should be officially called the "Main" wikis. They're just "Main" because they are the most active. I mean, Fantendo wouldn't be a "Main" wiki because it isn't as active. Sorry, I thought you meant that wikis were going to be tiered or something.
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I don't know how to say this, but I'm still against having Fantendo part of NIWA (nothing personal, Plumber), unless I am convinced enough.
My take is that the Alliance should only include specific encyclopedia wikis for each franchise.
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I believe the one that may be considered is this wiki. (http://wikirby.info/wiki/Main_Page)
That's what I thought too, but I think Level 3 is talking about the other one.
I was, in fact, talking about Wikirby
I would consider adding a Star Fox Wiki and an F-Zero Wiki, but I don't know any independent ones.
Well that may be why Wikirby and Metroidwiki were made, specifically
WiKirby will get into the alliance when it's ready. It was indeed created for that specific purpose.
I guess if anyone should come across a potential candidate we should inform the alliance of it, right?
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I guess if anyone should come across a potential candidate we should inform the alliance of it, right?
Yes.
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Wait, I don't think I fully understand why Kirbypedia is being excluded from this alliance. It has about 450 more articles than Wikirby, and it already has a community behind it. I think it would be unfair to leave them out and replace them with a newly made wiki.
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I guess if anyone should come across a potential candidate we should inform the alliance of it, right?
Yes.
Also tell them to look at our forums and figure out if they want to join us/we want them to join, if such a wiki is found.
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Wait, I don't think I fully understand why Kirbypedia is being excluded from this alliance. It has about 450 more articles than Wikirby, and it already has a community behind it. I think it would be unfair to leave them out and replace them with a newly made wiki.
Kirbypedia does not allow open registration.
http://www.kirbysrainbowresort.net/kirbypedia/Kirbypedia:About
http://www.kirbysrainbowresort.net/kirbypedia/Joining_Kirbypedia
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Wait, I don't think I fully understand why Kirbypedia is being excluded from this alliance. It has about 450 more articles than Wikirby, and it already has a community behind it. I think it would be unfair to leave them out and replace them with a newly made wiki.
Kirbypedia does not allow open registration.
http://www.kirbysrainbowresort.net/kirbypedia/Kirbypedia:About
http://www.kirbysrainbowresort.net/kirbypedia/Joining_Kirbypedia
Ohh okay, thanks for clearing that up.
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WiKirby is a start up, we aren't claiming it's perfect. Afterall, It's not launched yet. Kirbypedia is running on MediaWiki 1.6 with no extensions added. This tells me they know Kirby games, but don't have the technical expertise to actually be a strong wiki. I don't like the "nobody can edit but us" rule either. But if they want to get with us and work like how Zelda Wiki.org was formed, I'm open to that. Zelda Wiki.org was formed by several Zelda sites merging their content and sharing staff duties. However, at this point WiKirby has little content as we've mostly been debugging and testing. With the expertise we have from running our home wikis and the support of those, we'll be in good standings relatively soon. After all, the tricks we've learned over the years at our wikis are utilized from the get-go here.
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WiKirby is a start up, we aren't claiming it's perfect. Afterall, It's not launched yet. Kirbypedia is running on MediaWiki 1.6 with no extensions added. This tells me they know Kirby games, but don't have the technical expertise to actually be a strong wiki. I don't like the "nobody can edit but us" rule either. But if they want to get with us and work like how Zelda Wiki.org was formed, I'm open to that. Zelda Wiki.org was formed by several Zelda sites merging their content and sharing staff duties. However, at this point WiKirby has little content as we've mostly been debugging and testing. With the expertise we have from running our home wikis and the support of those, we'll be in good standings relatively soon. After all, the tricks we've learned over the years at our wikis are utilized from the get-go here.
You have to give it time, it was made for the purpose of joining the alliance, and it not even a month old, as is metroidwiki.
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For future reference Metroid Wiki and Kirby Wiki (metroidwiki.org and wikirby.info) will be a part of NIWA once they are fully launched. They were generally created for this association, thus the reason why they are so "new."
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For future reference Metroid Wiki and Kirby Wiki (metroidwiki.org and wikirby.info) will be a part of NIWA once they are fully launched. They were generally created for this association, thus the reason why they are so "new."
Should those two prove to be successful, will more wikis on other Nintendo series follow?
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For future reference Metroid Wiki and Kirby Wiki (metroidwiki.org and wikirby.info) will be a part of NIWA once they are fully launched. They were generally created for this association, thus the reason why they are so "new."
Should those two prove to be successful, will more wikis on other Nintendo series follow?
Yes :)
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For future reference Metroid Wiki and Kirby Wiki (metroidwiki.org and wikirby.info) will be a part of NIWA once they are fully launched. They were generally created for this association, thus the reason why they are so "new."
Metroid Wiki actually is launched, it's just not ready to join the Alliance yet.
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as a trivia, both wikis have the same amount of articles as of now (78)
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Didn't they launch at nearly the same day as well?
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I believe that is true.
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I'm gonna go ahead and try to look for a few independent Nintendo wikis tomorrow, it would be nice to find a few that aren't already heavily involved with the current members (*points at Wikirby and Metroid Wiki*)
Just to clarify: thing's like Sonic are still not permitted? Sonic is practically Nintendo these days anyway, it's just that he goes multi-platform. Only series that are PURE Nintendo?
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There aren't a whole lot out there; convincing existing wikis to secede and move to their own server is also another option.
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I guess I'll look for any good nintendo wiki, and I'll just point them out, but I'll put a focus on finding independent ones first.
Just to clarify: thing's like Sonic are still not permitted? Sonic is practically Nintendo these days anyway, it's just that he goes multi-platform. Only series that are PURE Nintendo?
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IIRC, Sonic was decided against
Sonic appears in PS3 games, so he's not "practically" Nintendo.
I don't think multi-platform characters count. Because then, Solid Snake would also be a similar case.
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That's what I wanted to get straightened out.
By the way, what"s the current status on fantendo joining?
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By the way, what"s the current status on fantendo joining?
It is being discussed.
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and fantendo is moving off wikia and we have told the users to clean up and stuff
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When will everything be moved by?
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We should try getting in with all the sites allied with:
Super Mario Wiki
Bulbapedia
Zelda Wiki
Then, once we get some of the allies from, say, Zelda Wiki, we should try getting all the allies from there...
We could have an empire going on here, see what I'm saying? :o
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But the sites allied with the wikis aren't Wikis.
The Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance, naturally, would only include wikis.
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s***e, sorry didn't notice that.
That's what I get for not paying much attention to allied sites... :-\
But you get the idea I suppose... In one way or another....
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Well I've looked through and try to find wikis on Nintendo by searching for wikis on Nintendo's main series and found only neoseeker, wikia, etc. wikis.
The only two options I see are:
1. Get the good wikis to secede, as Garlic Man said
2. Have more projects like Wikirby and Metroid Wiki.
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Sonic could count, since he has more games on Nintendo consoles than the other consoles.
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Hello everyone, I am Hemu and I am speaking on behalf of my superiors on Fantendo
Super Mario Bros. has told me about him proposing Fantendo into the alliance, and we are fine with being in this alliance, as fantendo would get more community from this
also we are planning moving off wikia and cleaning up the place
That is all
Hello Hemu :)
SMB told us about Fantndo willing to be in the Alliance. I supported it, but i think it shouldnt be a "main" affiliate because its fanon, but I see it as a great option
The fact that it's fanon makes it MORE creative and in my opinion considerably more fun to edit than a dull, factual wiki.
But, hey. At least we got chosen.
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Sonic could count, since he has more games on Nintendo consoles than the other consoles.
Plus, to my best knowledge, only one Sonic game can not be found on a Nintendo console, ad that's Sonic '06, AKA the worst game of the decade.
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Well, ab out Fantendo, I see your points. I support Fantendo joining the alliance, lets see what has other people got to say. Anyways, if you want to join, you need first to leave wikia
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I still think barring Fantendo is elitist and shortsighted. That's about all I've got to say about that.
Also, here's another one that was a point of contention: http://www.rarewitchproject.com/wiki/Main_Page
What do you guys think?
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There is a tad of a situation with the Rare co. Wiki.
You see, Rare did work with Nintendo at one point, making stuff like the Donkey Country games and Banjo-Kazzoie for the N64. But Rare moved onto Microsoft during the Xbox days.
So in a nutshell, it's sort of a mixed situation that it's viable for the alliance.
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I'm not sure how feasible this actually is, but maybe if we can contact the people who created this: http://www.fewiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page (http://www.fewiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page), we could absorb its remnants.
On a sidenote, I think Fantendo should be included in the alliance, but as some sort of an affiliate, not a full-fledged member because it is only fanon. I definitely don't think Sonic should be included because that opens the door to a bunch of other franchises such as Resident Evil, Mega Man, EA Sports, etc.
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I've been tempted to make the "Sonic isn't made by Nintendo" argument, but then the counterexample would be Kirby. (Though Kirby has never appeared on anything but Nintendo consoles)
So it's hard to say.
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I've been tempted to make the "Sonic isn't made by Nintendo" argument, but then the counterexample would be Kirby. (Though Kirby has never appeared on anything but Nintendo consoles)
So it's hard to say.
Kirby is developed by HAL Laboratory which makes games exclusively for Nintendo consoles, and Kirby is published by Nintendo.
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That's what I just said.
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That's what I just said.
I'm just adding that Nintendo actually publishes Kirby, whereas Nintendo does not publish Sonic.
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That's what I just said.
I'm just adding that Nintendo actually publishes Kirby, whereas Nintendo does not publish Sonic.
True, good point.
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Hence a Sonic Wiki is not a possibility. SOrry to all who supported...
EDIT: Fantendo moved, then I support the alliance. We just have to hear other admins says in this :police: :police:
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I'm not sure how feasible this actually is, but maybe if we can contact the people who created this: http://www.fewiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page (http://www.fewiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page), we could absorb its remnants.
That would be good, and to expand on that, we could make a Fire Emblem wiki to accomapny the Kirby and Metroid wikis using the remnants of that wiki.
And as Tucayo just said, Fantendo is make a move towards independence and will move to a new site soon.
http://fantendo.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Hemu/THE_SITE_WILL_BE_UP_SOON
If the community has a say then I'd say yes.
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Seceding from Wikia is indeed a start. :)
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http://www.pikmin.wikia.com
I looked through it quickly and it seems at least decent, what are your thoughts?
Someone should contact them if it seems good enough to qualify.
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We don't accept Wikia's, because they are generally not independent.
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We don't accept Wikia's, because they are generally not independent.
But they can still move out from wikia onto their own server.
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Well yea, that's sort of true. :-\
But we still have to ask the "big boss" to move servers and join the alliance, which may or may not work out depending if the Boss agrees with the situation.
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Well obviously, the if the Wiki doesn't want to join, they won't.
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Well, ab out Fantendo, I see your points. I support Fantendo joining the alliance, lets see what has other people got to say. Anyways, if you want to join, you need first to leave wikia
Thanks. Also, we did leave wikia. See http://fantendo.info/wiki/
On a sidenote, I think Fantendo should be included in the alliance, but as some sort of an affiliate, not a full-fledged member because it is only fanon.
The fact that it's fanon means that it is more creative and innovative than the dull and factual wikis. I mean, the factual wikis are useful, but not fun. A website like Fantendo has more potential for creativity and the like. I still don't get the whole "It-shouldn't-be-a-full-affiliant-cuz-it's-fanon" argument; it implies that boring, unoriginal, factual wikis are automatically superior to more creative ones for no good reason.
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Oh, I know plenty of people (me being one) that find pleasure in contributing to factual wikis. ;)
They are only boring and dull if you want them to be.
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On a sidenote, I think Fantendo should be included in the alliance, but as some sort of an affiliate, not a full-fledged member because it is only fanon.
The fact that it's fanon means that it is more creative and innovative than the dull and factual wikis. I mean, the factual wikis are useful, but not fun. A website like Fantendo has more potential for creativity and the like. I still don't get the whole "It-shouldn't-be-a-full-affiliant-cuz-it's-fanon" argument; it implies that boring, unoriginal, factual wikis are automatically superior to more creative ones for no good reason.
If a fanon wiki is a main member of a group of canon wikis, people might not realise the fanon wiki is just creative made-up stories and think it's just an reliable wiki that didn't do the research. Not to mention the name might also be misinterupted as a wiki that fans have put together to share info on the games.
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On a sidenote, I think Fantendo should be included in the alliance, but as some sort of an affiliate, not a full-fledged member because it is only fanon.
The fact that it's fanon means that it is more creative and innovative than the dull and factual wikis. I mean, the factual wikis are useful, but not fun. A website like Fantendo has more potential for creativity and the like. I still don't get the whole "It-shouldn't-be-a-full-affiliant-cuz-it's-fanon" argument; it implies that boring, unoriginal, factual wikis are automatically superior to more creative ones for no good reason.
If a fanon wiki is a main member of a group of canon wikis, people might not realise the fanon wiki is just creative made-up stories and think it's just an reliable wiki that didn't do the research. Not to mention the name might also be misinterupted as a wiki that fans have put together to share info on the games.
Considering that the heading is "Fantendo- Nintendo Fanon Wiki", and it's stated on the main page like a bazillion times that it's fanon, it would take an absolutely idiotic person to make that mistake.
Am I being insulting and annoying? Sorry. Just trying to help Fantendo get approved as a part on NIWA.
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If anything, you can just point out that Fantendo is fanon at the hub, it's going to be redesigned anyway right? Just find a way to make it fit.
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If anything, you can just point out that Fantendo is fanon at the hub, it's going to be redesigned anyway right? Just find a way to make it fit.
Yeah. The logo says "Fantendo: The Nintendo Fanon Wiki", so just put the logo on the hub and that's that.
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I siad this in staff, might as well say it publicly:
I do not support the affiliate - member BS. You're either good enough to be part of NIWA or your note. Personally, I will not be allowing http://www.metroidwiki.org to be some sort of affiliate. We are either good enough to be a member, or were not and need to continue working to that level.
Sorry, just my two cents. It's just overcomplicating things, and I can say safely people in staff can't even agree on what privledges an affiliate verse a member even has. To me it's simple: If you're on the hub page - your an official NIWA member and wiki. Screw this affiliate program of being some sort of sub member that needs to work up to member. It's an elitest attitude, and I don't like it. It means "well you're a nice wiki, but not as good as this, this, and this."
I don't like it.
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I siad this in staff, might as well say it publicly:
I do not support the affiliate - member BS. You're either good enough to be part of NIWA or your note. Personally, I will not be allowing http://www.metroidwiki.org to be some sort of affiliate. We are either good enough to be a member, or were not and need to continue working to that level.
Sorry, just my two cents. It's just overcomplicating things, and I can say safely people in staff can't even agree on what privledges an affiliate verse a member even has. To me it's simple: If you're on the hub page - your an official NIWA member and wiki. Screw this affiliate program of being some sort of sub member that needs to work up to member. It's an elitest attitude, and I don't like it. It means "well you're a nice wiki, but not as good as this, this, and this."
I don't like it.
Not sure since I'm not staff, but I don't think wikirby and metroid wiki are affiliates of NIWA, just of the separate wikis
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No, were not part of the NIWA, and thus shouldn't have staff access. I think we only have it since we are all part of ZW and helped get NIWA setup.
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My ideas:
1. Interlinking between the wikis, ev. also their acoompanying websit, eg. Bulbagarden, if they have one, in addition to the NIWA site and forums, just like how the Encyclopediae Pokémonis sites do, which helps users and websites to to find it big times, or else this will get abandoned since no wikis can find it, members will stop cokming, and existing members and wikis will forget about it.
2. A subproject, which I tentatively call Project Indepence of Nintendo Wikis (PINW), which main goal is to help decent Nintendo wikia to become independent wikis, if they want to do so, and join NIWA.
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bad news about fantendo
the site had errors, and now the users want to stay at wikia and won't even let me fix the site >_>
and they say that we need publicity but won't understand how NIWA will help us with that
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That is certainly a problem. Did you not gain support from your userbase before taking action?
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I don't think you guys will be seeing Hemu again. He went berserk and took the new independant Fantendo site with him.
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1. Interlinking between the wikis, ev. also their acoompanying websit, eg. Bulbagarden, if they have one, in addition to the NIWA site and forums, just like how the Encyclopediae Pokémonis sites do, which helps users and websites to to find it big times, or else this will get abandoned since no wikis can find it, members will stop cokming, and existing members and wikis will forget about it.
I don't really want to see a "Visit the NIWA" thing whenever I visit Bulbapedia. D:
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1. Interlinking between the wikis, ev. also their acoompanying websit, eg. Bulbagarden, if they have one, in addition to the NIWA site and forums, just like how the Encyclopediae Pokémonis sites do, which helps users and websites to to find it big times, or else this will get abandoned since no wikis can find it, members will stop cokming, and existing members and wikis will forget about it.
I don't really want to see a "Visit the NIWA" thing whenever I visit Bulbapedia. D:
Maybe I was unclear, but sited of Encyclopediae Pokémonis, which I (maybe unclearly) stated it would be similar to, does not request the reader or someone else to visit the sites, but simply have a template that shows the logo, some neutral information, and interlinks the wikis, at the bottom of the page. I request a template that works the same way and looks the same way, just with a link to the sites and the forums, which not needs to mention the word "visit".
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So Fantendo is getting separated??? Thats not good. As GM said, I thought your userbase aproved
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they did originally, but the site had errors, and they decided to stay at wikia without even letting me fix it
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OK. Well, that's too bad then. Hopefully you can eventually work it out in the future.
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mk
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And these are strictly Nintendo right?
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Start a new thread for Fantendo's tech issues and we'll try assisting there.
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So Fantendo is getting separated??? Thats not good. As GM said, I thought your userbase aproved
Yeah, after user request.
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It might end up that Fantendo splits into 2
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I'll be honest, the user base may not want to move until you have the new home up, ready, and clearly better than the old. Stick with them for now and work on the new site on the side.
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I'll be honest, the user base may not want to move until you have the new home up, ready, and clearly better than the old. Stick with them for now and work on the new site on the side.
I agree, NIWA isn't running away or going anywhere, I'm pretty sure we can wait, just get everything fixed up and allright so that it will be ready for a smooth transition.
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I do not support the affiliate - member BS. You're either good enough to be part of NIWA or your note. Personally, I will not be allowing http://www.metroidwiki.org to be some sort of affiliate. We are either good enough to be a member, or were not and need to continue working to that level.
Actually, I would like to disagree. There are some wikis that may hold great potential, and could use an affiliation with NIWA to boost whatever it is that they need to become better (activity, more articles, etc.).
Sorry, just my two cents. It's just overcomplicating things, and I can say safely people in staff can't even agree on what privledges an affiliate verse a member even has.
Actually, it's not that complicated. Either you meet the requirements to be a full member, meet the requirements for affiliation, or none of the prior listed. And I love how you say that the staff "can't even agree on what privledges an affiliate verse a member even has," considering that we are actually trying to improve on each others ideas rather than saying that we don't know what the hell the other staff members even mean.
To me it's simple: If you're on the hub page - your an official NIWA member and wiki. Screw this affiliate program of being some sort of sub member that needs to work up to member. It's an elitest attitude, and I don't like it. It means "well you're a nice wiki, but not as good as this, this, and this."
Actually... Once again, I'd love to argue your (in my opinion, no offense when I say this) very flawed opinion. It is actually not an elitist attitude, it is for those wikis who don't exactly meet the requirements to be a member (such as Fantendo when it was a contendor for NIWA affiliation, as it did not meet the proposed rule of needing to be factual to be a member). It actually would bring more wikis to NIWA than be elitist (which would be having the high-standard membership thing you believe in basically is).
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they did originally, but the site had errors, and they decided to stay at wikia without even letting me fix it
So? Errors happen. I am sure the zi fanbase isn't happy right now ( http://www.zeldainformer.com ) that the site is down due to errors int eh upgrade and would prefer we go back to the older version to have the site online, but despite the b****ing they may have, when we DO return they will be VERY happy and surprised. Sometimes, the users like to act rash, thats why they are the users, not the people running the site.
Also in reply to Super Mario guy:
The entire concept of the NIWA was to support, fully, independent Nintendo wiki's. Not partially, not your this, then a member: The idea was to support them period. While affiliation does that, member does it more, and thats the flaw in the logic. The only agreements made when NIWA came into existence is this:
- NIWA exists to support, equally, independent nintendo wiki's
- One wiki per franchise
- Everyone's equal
Thats about it. Affiliates are not equal to Members, hence to me, the logic is flawed. We either FULLY support eachother, affiliates sounds like partial support. If a time arises when say, there is an independent wiki that is better then whatever x wiki we have, we can worry about it then and sort out of the current wiki is truly trying. On top of that, it IS elitist. According to the current standards being set in place, the only wiki's that qualify for member are the 3 founders - that does seem right to me. Sorry.
The only purpose for affiliate status should be for wiki's who wish to support the NIWA but are NOT Nintendo wiki's. you know, like a sonic wiki, ratchet and clank, etc - where they are litterally not Nintendo wiki's, but wish to be affiliated. Sort of like how a Fan site about Zelda can be affiliated with one about Final Fantasy, but that doesn't mean they get to join Stone Watchers. They are just supporting the overall site/network.
In that regard, affiliate sites make sense. For things like independent Nintendo Wiki's? Thats the idea of our existence, why would we make them a lesser status then members? And who said Nintendo wiki's HAD to be factual? They are independent, they may function exactly how they deem best. We don't determine the content of wiki's, we just show support for them. NIWA is a support network, not a disclusion network. Were suppose to be inclusive, and Fantendo fit the mold perfectly. It was a fan fiction wiki based on Nintendo stuff - what was wrong with that? It's not like there would 7 different fan fiction wiki's, it would be THE fan ficiton wiki we supported.
I digress, it's pointless. We don't agree. Not much more to say.
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I sort of agree with Nathan in that it would make more sense to reserve affiliate spots for wikis that aren't strictly nintendo, but slightly limit them to wikis that represent series or characters that have appeared on Nintendo consoles (like Sonic and Metal Gear, or even companies, like rarewitchproject)
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are there any franchises of nintendo's that needs a independent wiki, but is currently lacking?
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are there any franchises of nintendo's that needs a independent wiki, but is currently lacking?
From what I investigated, Advance/Nintendo Wars and Custom Robo only have Wikias. So they would be something to look into.
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Pretty much any franchise apart from Pokemon, Mario, Zelda, Kirby and Metroid I believe.
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are there any franchises of nintendo's that needs a independent wiki, but is currently lacking?
From what I investigated, Advance/Nintendo Wars and Custom Robo only have Wikias. So they would be something to look into.
http://warswiki.warscentral.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
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are there any franchises of nintendo's that needs a independent wiki, but is currently lacking?
Star Fox, EarthBound (Mother in Japan), Fire Emblem, etc.
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are there any franchises of nintendo's that needs a independent wiki, but is currently lacking?
From what I investigated, Advance/Nintendo Wars and Custom Robo only have Wikias. So they would be something to look into.
http://warswiki.warscentral.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
look at the content of some of those pages they aren't nearly close to completion (like this one: http://warswiki.warscentral.com/index.php?title=Advance_Wars:_Days_of_Ruin) . And 127 articles seems a bit too small when considering the wiki has been open for a year now, and the "Wars" series has a decent amount of games. However, not being a fan of them I can't provide a more professional or experience based opinion.
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are there any franchises of nintendo's that needs a independent wiki, but is currently lacking?
From what I investigated, Advance/Nintendo Wars and Custom Robo only have Wikias. So they would be something to look into.
http://warswiki.warscentral.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
Well, we have said this in the admins board, but people should get to see it
http://warswiki.warscentral.com/index.php?title=Base
I think thats not a fit affiliate or member
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are there any franchises of nintendo's that needs a independent wiki, but is currently lacking?
From what I investigated, Advance/Nintendo Wars and Custom Robo only have Wikias. So they would be something to look into.
http://warswiki.warscentral.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
Well, we have said this in the admins board, but people should get to see it
http://warswiki.warscentral.com/index.php?title=Base
I think thats not a fit affiliate or member
I've just stated that it's quality is VERY questionable. It doesn't seemm to have much of a community to back the wiki either, despite being one of the few independent wikis out there, and it has a good userbase at the main hub site and forums.
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Alright, let's start from the beginning. Bellow is a list of Nintendo franchises (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nintendo_franchises) according to Wikipedia. Please copy the list, and modify it to the criteria bellow.
Strike out franchises that have wikis, and these wikis meet some kind of minimum expectation (like activeness, quality of articles, independence, etc), or is covered by another franchise, such as yoshi by the mario wiki. Be sure to include link to the wiki you are thinking of - Unstrike - if you believe wiki doesn't meet minimum activeness, quality, etc. and therefore you believe the a better wiki is still needed.
A
Animal Crossing
C
Custom Robo (series)
D
Donkey Kong
E
EarthBound (series)
F
F-Zero
Fire Emblem
G
Game & Watch
Golden Sun (series)
K
Kid Icarus (series)
Kirby (series)
L
The Legend of Zelda
The Legendary Starfy (series)
M
Mario (series)
Mario Kart
Mario Party
Metroid (series)
P
Pikmin (series)
Pokémon (video game series)
Punch-Out!!
Puzzle League (series)
S
Star Fox (series)
Super Smash Bros. (series)
T
Touch! Generations
W
Wario (series)
Wars (series)
Y
Yoshi
My intention here is to develop a list franchises that need good, independent wikis; but have otherwise not been able to achieve.
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A
Animal Crossing - We have an affiliation request
C
Custom Robo (series)
D
Donkey Kong - Covered by MarioWiki
E
EarthBound (series) - One would be great, I know many fans
F
F-Zero
Fire Emblem - There is one independant out there, IIRC
G
Game & Watch
Golden Sun (series)
K
Kid Icarus (series) - too minor for a wiki :/
Kirby (series) - Wikirby
L
The Legend of Zelda - ZW
The Legendary Starfy (series)
M
Mario (series) - MW
Mario Kart - MW
Mario Party - MW
Metroid (series) - Metroid WIki
P
Pikmin (series)
Pokémon (video game series) - BP
Punch-Out!!
Puzzle League (series) - Too minor?
S
Star Fox (series) - Necessary O.o
Super Smash Bros. (series) - All of our wikis have some kind of coverage, but a general one would be great
T
Touch! Generations - Does this need a wiki?
W
Wario (series) - MW
Wars (series) - No independent and DECENT wiki ATM
Y
Yoshi - MW
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A
Animal Crossing
C
Custom Robo (series)
D
Donkey Kong (Covered by Mario Wiki)
E
EarthBound (series)
F
F-Zero
Fire Emblem
G
Game & Watch
Golden Sun (series)
K
Kid Icarus (series)
Kirby (series)
L
The Legend of Zelda (Zelda Wiki)
The Legendary Starfy (series)
M
Mario (series)
Mario Kart
Mario Party
Metroid (series)
P
Pikmin (series)
Pokémon (video game series) (Bulbapedia)
Punch-Out!!
Puzzle League (series)
S
Star Fox (series)
Super Smash Bros. (series)
T
Touch! Generations
W
Wario (series) (Covered by Mario Wiki)
Wars (series)
Y
Yoshi (Covered by Mario Wiki)
If you haven't noticed, I left out Metroid and Kirby because they aren't officially apart of NIWA. (At least I think) But this could be changed if necessary.
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It'd be much easier to improve the existing independent Wars Wiki than to start from scratch. I think the user base over there would be much more motivated if they knew what they stood to gain by being aligned with us.
http://s23.org/wikistats/largest_html.php?sort=views_desc&th=100&lines=8313
According to this, we are not just the top viewed Nintendo Wikis, but in the top ranks of any wikis.
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It'd be much easier to improve the existing independent Wars Wiki than to start from scratch. I think the user base over there would be much more motivated if they knew what they stood to gain by being aligned with us.
http://s23.org/wikistats/largest_html.php?sort=views_desc&th=100&lines=8313
According to this, we are not just the top viewed Nintendo Wikis, but in the top ranks of any wikis.
That looks like a decent site to search for wikis that might fit the bill.
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A
Animal Crossing
C
Custom Robo (series)
D
Donkey Kong (Covered by Mario Wiki)
E
EarthBound (series)
F
F-Zero
Fire Emblem
G
Game & Watch
Golden Sun (series)
K
Kid Icarus (series)
Kirby (series)
L
The Legend of Zelda (Zelda Wiki)
The Legendary Starfy (series)
M
Mario (series)
Mario Kart
Mario Party
Metroid (series)
P
Pikmin (series)
Pokémon (video game series) (Bulbapedia)
Punch-Out!!
Puzzle League (series)
S
Star Fox (series)
Super Smash Bros. (series)
T
Touch! Generations
W
Wario (series) (Covered by Mario Wiki)
Wars (series)
Y
Yoshi (Covered by Mario Wiki)
If you haven't noticed, I left out Metroid and Kirby because they aren't officially apart of NIWA. (At least I think) But this could be changed if necessary.
Nice list. Thanks for this; it's a good guide of what could be included.
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I believe the Kirby and Metroid wiki's are under construction at the moment. Once completed, they will join the alliance.
I was thinking of making one of the Wiki's on the list, possibly Animal crossing or Earthbound.
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There's already discussion going on about an Animal Crossing wiki that is currently not independent but is willing to move to its own server.
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Out of Curiosity, what criteria does a wiki need to be independent?
the reason i am asking is: I rent web-space from commercial servers, and allow my friends, acquaintances and so on to use it for free. If i were to set up a wiki in this web-space, would it be considered independent?
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I'm going to be getting a Star Fox wiki sometime soon. I just need the necessary funding, which shouldn't take too long.
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Out of Curiosity, what criteria does a wiki need to be independent?
the reason i am asking is: I rent web-space from commercial servers, and allow my friends, acquaintances and so on to use it for free. If i were to set up a wiki in this web-space, would it be considered independent?
Most likely, yes. As a rule of thumb, to be considered independent you'd want to fill the following two criteria.
A) Be self-funded, and not part of a network akin to Wikia
B) Be run by fans of the series, for fans of the series
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Out of Curiosity, what criteria does a wiki need to be independent?
the reason i am asking is: I rent web-space from commercial servers, and allow my friends, acquaintances and so on to use it for free. If i were to set up a wiki in this web-space, would it be considered independent?
Most likely, yes. As a rule of thumb, to be considered independent you'd want to fill the following two criteria.
A) Be self-funded, and not part of a network akin to Wikia
B) Be run by fans of the series, for fans of the series
Sweet. Did anyone claim Smash bros or Mother/Earthbound? I can set up wiki's for both, and more if needed. I am more of a fan of Smash bros, so i would would need to appoint someone to be the Earthbound/other admin.
On a side note, How important is the domain?
I currently own 2, csanimefan.com (primary) and grifkuba.org (add-on). I like to put the wiki's under grifkuba.org; unless that would be a problem.
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Domain is not a probelm, AFAIK; feel free to use any of those.
I would reommend you making the Mother wiki :)
And as to join the alliance, you need.
1.-Active community
2.-Certain amount of decent articles (200 presumably) :police:
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cool. I am going to leave this topic alone, for a day or two, in the case someone did claim it and i am not seeing it.
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Just as a word of warning for anyone considering creating a Smash Bros one, we are currently working on plans internally to create a Smash one as a NIWA project, seeing as Smash is really a crossover of many Nintendo franchises.
I would also like to suggest that those considering starting wikis do their best to affiliate and/or work with big independent sites in their fandoms. While not exactly a requirement as such, it would be preferable to see, for instance, something like Starmen.net sponsoring the Earthbound one, even if their staff aren't involved directly in the production.
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On the topic of a Smash one, maybe we could make a join effort, not just beginning with the staff? Also, maybe some Smash sites can be contacted (i.e. smashboards, allisbrawl)
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So, then should i not make one? i mean, it could be a really good one ;)
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Hello, I am member and contributor of WarsWiki, here to ask you to reconsider your rejection of our wiki.
I am not here to boast about our article count, nor do I believe that we have a wiki that is large by any means. I am not here to claim that we have an active community of editors; we literally have 2 active editors (of which I am one), neither of which have much time to contribute. I will not pretend that the community around our wiki regularly helps and contributes to our project; as our admin Jojo said, "God knows this site hasn't been about Advance Wars for a long time." I know why we were rejected; we are simply too small for your standards. But that is why we need an alliance like NIWA; without one, we will not grow enough to meet your standards. I am not kidding when I say that we would not meet a benchmark like 200 articles until around the end of this summer. Though our active community is very small, I am sure some of the Wars Central forum-goers will take interest in the project if the wiki really gets going. And I feel that WarsWiki could truly benefit from not only editors but coders on the other wikis in NIWA.
This alliance was created to provide knowledge about Nintendo's various series and to provide this knowledge on websites that are independent from any wiki conglomerate such as Wikia. But, as the lists in this thread show, only a few series have quality wikis that are also independent. It has been stated that NIWA is interested in accepting other wikis into the alliance; however, I believe that you all must realize that many wikis exist for Nintendo series that are simply underdeveloped and understaffed. WarsWiki is one of these wikis, and we need NIWA. Please accept our request.
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are the problems more content-related or wiki-related?
The reason i am asking, is I've only played one Advance Wars game, but i run many wikis. So, i would like to help, but i am afraid i wouldn't be able to contribute much.
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Well I believe the problem was not your size (which I don't personally weigh in THAT much), but the quality of your articles too, but I believe you are correct by assuming that an alliance with NIWA will help
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are the problems more content-related or wiki-related?
The reason i am asking, is I've only played one Advance Wars game, but i run many wikis. So, i would like to help, but i am afraid i wouldn't be able to contribute much.
Mostly content, the wiki runs fine in my experience editing and viewing.
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You are totally right, you have my support. I will get to your wiki
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You are totally right, you have my support. I will get to your wiki
Thank you so much!
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You are totally right, you have my support. I will get to your wiki
Thank you so much!
No prob ;) Tomorrow I'll check the wiki to see where it needs help, will improve some articles, etc
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You are totally right, you have my support. I will get to your wiki
Thank you so much!
No prob ;) Tomorrow I'll check the wiki to see where it needs help, will improve some articles, etc
So you will make steps to make WarsWiki a part of NIWA? Or am I misinterpreting your post?
By the way, I PMed the admin (JoJo) of Wars Central about NIWA after I posted here. So the brass on our side is aware of this.
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You are totally right, you have my support. I will get to your wiki
Thank you so much!
No prob ;) Tomorrow I'll check the wiki to see where it needs help, will improve some articles, etc
So you will make steps to make WarsWiki a part of NIWA? Or am I misinterpreting your post?
By the way, I PMed the admin (JoJo) of Wars Central about NIWA after I posted here. So the brass on our side is aware of this.
I will :)
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You are totally right, you have my support. I will get to your wiki
Thank you so much!
No prob ;) Tomorrow I'll check the wiki to see where it needs help, will improve some articles, etc
Great! Thank you!
So you will make steps to make WarsWiki a part of NIWA? Or am I misinterpreting your post?
By the way, I PMed the admin (JoJo) of Wars Central about NIWA after I posted here. So the brass on our side is aware of this.
I will :)
Thank you then.
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There's nothing there?
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At WarsWiki? The main page is here (http://warswiki.warscentral.com/index.php?title=Main_Page).
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You are totally right, you have my support. I will get to your wiki
Thank you so much!
No prob ;) Tomorrow I'll check the wiki to see where it needs help, will improve some articles, etc
Great! Thank you!
So you will make steps to make WarsWiki a part of NIWA? Or am I misinterpreting your post?
By the way, I PMed the admin (JoJo) of Wars Central about NIWA after I posted here. So the brass on our side is aware of this.
I will :)
<--- no, i mean here.
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I don't understand what you're asking.
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the post i am referring to is had a quote form a previous post, and then nothing new. So, i was curious if you were doing nothing but reposting what was already said.
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Whoops :-[.
Edited the post.
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not a problem.
---Edit to prevent necroposting---
Alright, so i seems there maybe problems with a smash wiki. As much as i liked to run one (and i really would), i don't want to infringe on any previous efforts made by someone else. So, for now, my smash wiki is simply a "fun" wiki, where if the staff at the niwa likes what we've done, we maybe allowed to migrate some of it over.
Which means i am now switching to the mother/earthbound wiki. Which may have it's own problems, as i have limited play time with the games.
Is anyone interested in helping me out on this? or should i scrap the idea?
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I think the Wikis should add the abillity for intergrated accounts.
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I think the Wikis should add the abillity for intergrated accounts.
Nice suggestion, bu it had been previously discussed here and between admins, and for the moment, I think there won't be this.
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Alright, let's start from the beginning. Bellow is a list of Nintendo franchises (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nintendo_franchises) according to Wikipedia. Please copy the list, and modify it to the criteria bellow.
Strike out franchises that have wikis, and these wikis meet some kind of minimum expectation (like activeness, quality of articles, independence, etc), or is covered by another franchise, such as yoshi by the mario wiki. Be sure to include link to the wiki you are thinking of - Unstrike - if you believe wiki doesn't meet minimum activeness, quality, etc. and therefore you believe the a better wiki is still needed.
A
Animal Crossing
C
Custom Robo (series)
D
Donkey Kong
E
EarthBound (series)
F
F-Zero
Fire Emblem
G
Game & Watch
Golden Sun (series)
K
Kid Icarus (series)
Kirby (series)
L
The Legend of Zelda
The Legendary Starfy (series)
M
Mario (series)
Mario Kart
Mario Party
Metroid (series)
P
Pikmin (series)
Pokémon (video game series)
Punch-Out!!
Puzzle League (series)
S
Star Fox (series)
Super Smash Bros. (series)
T
Touch! Generations
W
Wario (series)
Wars (series)
Y
Yoshi
My intention here is to develop a list franchises that need good, independent wikis; but have otherwise not been able to achieve.
OH. What about the Sin and Punishment series?
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I think the Wikis should add the abillity for intergrated accounts.
There may be possibilities in the future for more portable accounts (perhaps using OpenID), but the accounts would all still be technically separate.
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OH. What about the Sin and Punishment series?
What is "the Sin and Punishment series"?
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OH. What about the Sin and Punishment series?
What is "the Sin and Punishment series"?
I suppose it could be a series because of the soon-to-be-released sequel. I don't think ths would merit an entire wiki, however.
This gives me an idea, though: should we make a kind of central wiki that covers miscellaneous games such as Sin and Punishment?
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OH. What about the Sin and Punishment series?
What is "the Sin and Punishment series"?
I suppose it could be a series because of the soon-to-be-released sequel. I don't think ths would merit an entire wiki, however.
This gives me an idea, though: should we make a kind of central wiki that covers miscellaneous games such as Sin and Punishment?
I believe that is in discussion with the NIWA Staff.
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Maybe to prevent a scenario in the creation of two wikis, can you please tell us what series need wiki's, and aren't being heavily considered by NIWA (like smash is almost guaranteed to be a NIWA project)
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Fire Emblem isn't, We were thinking to suggest for those wikis, someone wanting to start a new one should go to all known forums and sites, build up a support base for the wiki. (Zelda Wiki.org has a setup that could be replicated to unite fragmented fanbases.)
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Smash and animal crossing are no's
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Smash and animal crossing are no's
By no's you mean the stafff has deciding on making internal wikis for those series?
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For smash, there likely will be an internal creation. But AC, I think the existing wiki may be moving to its own host to join.
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Alright then, then, can you keep us updated on these things please? So that we can be aware of whhat to make and not to make/ etc.
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There's quite a lot of discussion going on, but I honestly don't think we have the manpower for the proposed internal wikis right now. The main reason we want them internal is bc they would be critical to niwa. Imagine if we help someone build up a new Smash Bros wiki and they later sell it to Wikia. It would be hugely devastating to our morale and all of our cross-linking would be undone in favor of wikia's own versions.
As far as the franchises go, list which games you could run a wiki on, and we can look at what would be your best bet for a self-sustaining wiki.
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Well I spoke to Archaic and he said you already even had the domain purchased, and if you as a staff don't have the manpower, there's always us! I'd be glad to help, Smash is pretty much my ... forte, if you will.
And make sure ownership is just trusted staff of NIWA, but other things won't be as exclusive.
Also, I know some good places to ask for affiliation from, if it would help.
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OH. What about the Sin and Punishment series?
What is "the Sin and Punishment series"?
I suppose it could be a series because of the soon-to-be-released sequel. I don't think ths would merit an entire wiki, however.
This gives me an idea, though: should we make a kind of central wiki that covers miscellaneous games such as Sin and Punishment?
I believe that is in discussion with the NIWA Staff.
Mother is getting a Wiki, and that has 3 games. (And an INCREDIBLY popular fan translation.) :|
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MOTHER already has a wiki, iirc.
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MOTHER already has a wiki, iirc.
Link?
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I don't have an exact link right now, but I know starmen.net (and EBC) linked to it once or twice.
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I don't have an exact link right now, but I know starmen.net (and EBC) linked to it once or twice.
was it independent?
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OH. What about the Sin and Punishment series?
What is "the Sin and Punishment series"?
I suppose it could be a series because of the soon-to-be-released sequel. I don't think ths would merit an entire wiki, however.
This gives me an idea, though: should we make a kind of central wiki that covers miscellaneous games such as Sin and Punishment?
I believe that is in discussion with the NIWA Staff.
Mother is getting a Wiki, and that has 3 games. (And an INCREDIBLY popular fan translation.) :|
Mother has three games (one of which was released internationally almost 20 years ago) and a major presence in Smash. EarthBound being the cult classic that it is, combined with new fans brought in by Smash, creates a community that is large enough for a wiki. Sin and Punishment has two games, only the second of which will be released internationally in the generation it was made in. Though I haven't played Sin and Punishment, I would say that unless it has some crazy amount of depth (like The World Ends With You, which has it's own wiki) it just isn't large enough for a wiki.
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I'd agree with Hotchmoney on this one, especially since Mother/Earthbound has a large enough fanbase to warrant a fan-made translation in light of the news that Mother 3 wouldn't come to NA.
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OH. What about the Sin and Punishment series?
What is "the Sin and Punishment series"?
I suppose it could be a series because of the soon-to-be-released sequel. I don't think ths would merit an entire wiki, however.
This gives me an idea, though: should we make a kind of central wiki that covers miscellaneous games such as Sin and Punishment?
I believe that is in discussion with the NIWA Staff.
Mother is getting a Wiki, and that has 3 games. (And an INCREDIBLY popular fan translation.) :|
Mother has three games (one of which was released internationally almost 20 years ago) and a major presence in Smash. EarthBound being the cult classic that it is, combined with new fans brought in by Smash, creates a community that is large enough for a wiki. Sin and Punishment has two games, only the second of which will be released internationally in the generation it was made in. Though I haven't played Sin and Punishment, I would say that unless it has some crazy amount of depth (like The World Ends With You, which has it's own wiki) it just isn't large enough for a wiki.
Good point. :-\
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Yeah. There's not a great deal of series which warrant wikis. We may have to make a general one at some point to cover the smaller ones. I mean, even WiKirby was a stretch, and Kirby has a lot of games. In fact, with the Star Fox wiki on the way, Wars Wiki set to join, Animal Crossing Wiki set up, and the various others in the works, we may have all the major games covered. I think the next step may be the "general" wiki.
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Really? No other major Nintendo franchises? *checks*
What about F-Zero, Fire Emblem, and Punch-Out? Hell, there are A LOT of franchises on that list. (Striked out/deleted the wiki's we have, or have planned.)
C
Custom Robo (series)
F
F-Zero
Fire Emblem
G
Game & Watch
Golden Sun (series)
K
Kid Icarus (series)
L
The Legendary Starfy (series)
P
Pikmin (series)
Punch-Out!!
Puzzle League (series)
S
Super Smash Bros. (series)
T
Touch! Generations
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Really? No other major Nintendo franchises? *checks*
What about F-Zero, Fire Emblem, and Punch-Out? Hell, there are A LOT of franchises on that list. (Striked out/deleted the wiki's we have, or have planned.)
C
Custom Robo (series)
F
F-Zero
Fire Emblem
G
Game & Watch
Golden Sun (series)
K
Kid Icarus (series)
L
The Legendary Starfy (series)
P
Pikmin (series)
Punch-Out!!
Puzzle League (series)
S
Super Smash Bros. (series)
T
Touch! Generations
Smash is eing done by the staff, and I don;t think Puzzle League can warrant a wiki.
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Really? No other major Nintendo franchises? *checks*
What about F-Zero, Fire Emblem, and Punch-Out? Hell, there are A LOT of franchises on that list. (Striked out/deleted the wiki's we have, or have planned.)
C
Custom Robo (series)
F
F-Zero
Fire Emblem
G
Game & Watch
Golden Sun (series)
K
Kid Icarus (series)
L
The Legendary Starfy (series)
P
Pikmin (series)
Punch-Out!!
Puzzle League (series)
S
Super Smash Bros. (series)
T
Touch! Generations
Smash is eing done by the staff, and I don;t think Puzzle League can warrant a wiki.
yea. but image if it did...... an article on each color of block; tips and tricks, strategies.
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That would probably be best in one article, on the wiki for the smaller series.
Also, a little fact about that list, it only represents Nintendo-made series, but what if such a series exists that is exclusive to Nintendo consoles, but isn't directly made by Nintendo or one of it's developers?
I have a perfect example - the Ace Attorney series. It should speak for itself, it has 5 games, and an upcoming 6th, it has a wikia wiki as well, more. I think the game can warrant it's own wiki, and it's probably my greatest area of expertise concerning Nintendo series. (well that and Smash)
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so....... Is anyone working on a Pikmin wiki, or know of one we could get to join us? I couldn't buy a domain for awhile, but I have (or I like to think) a lot of knowledge on the series and could contribute A LOT
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so....... Is anyone working on a Pikmin wiki, or know of one we could get to join us? I couldn't buy a domain for awhile, but I have (or I like to think) a lot of knowledge on the series and could contribute A LOT
No pikmin wiki is being worked on ATM :)
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Well, scratch what i said about Ace Attorney, stupid IPhone ports.
What would be NIWA's stance on Ace Attorney if all of the Non-Nintendo appearances of the series have all been ports?
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Are there any independent Sonic Wikis?
If so I think we should get them to join, and merge their Mario & Sonic at the Olympic articles with Mario Wiki.
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Sonic is not Nintendo.
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Well, scratch what i said about Ace Attorney, stupid IPhone ports.
What would be NIWA's stance on Ace Attorney if all of the Non-Nintendo appearances of the series have all been ports?
I know I would contribute, I love Ace Attorney. But anyway, it is owned by Capcom and being ported to iPhone (though they aren't actually making a new game for it, true), so I think it would be ineligible.
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Well, scratch what i said about Ace Attorney, stupid IPhone ports.
What would be NIWA's stance on Ace Attorney if all of the Non-Nintendo appearances of the series have all been ports?
I know I would contribute, I love Ace Attorney. But anyway, it is owned by Capcom and being ported to iPhone (though they aren't actually making a new game for it, true), so I think it would be ineligible.
that's why I want to hear the staff's opinion on it. It's one of my favorite series, and since all of the originals come out on DS, it might qualify.
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Well, scratch what i said about Ace Attorney, stupid IPhone ports.
What would be NIWA's stance on Ace Attorney if all of the Non-Nintendo appearances of the series have all been ports?
I know I would contribute, I love Ace Attorney. But anyway, it is owned by Capcom and being ported to iPhone (though they aren't actually making a new game for it, true), so I think it would be ineligible.
that's why I want to hear the staff's opinion on it. It's one of my favorite series, and since all of the originals come out on DS, it might qualify.
Let me voice them your thoughts.
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Trauma Center is in the same boat as Ace Attorney.
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Well, scratch what i said about Ace Attorney, stupid IPhone ports.
What would be NIWA's stance on Ace Attorney if all of the Non-Nintendo appearances of the series have all been ports?
I know I would contribute, I love Ace Attorney. But anyway, it is owned by Capcom and being ported to iPhone (though they aren't actually making a new game for it, true), so I think it would be ineligible.
that's why I want to hear the staff's opinion on it. It's one of my favorite series, and since all of the originals come out on DS, it might qualify.
If that's the case with Ace Attorney and Trauma Center, I say No More Heroes as well.
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Well, scratch what i said about Ace Attorney, stupid IPhone ports.
What would be NIWA's stance on Ace Attorney if all of the Non-Nintendo appearances of the series have all been ports?
I know I would contribute, I love Ace Attorney. But anyway, it is owned by Capcom and being ported to iPhone (though they aren't actually making a new game for it, true), so I think it would be ineligible.
that's why I want to hear the staff's opinion on it. It's one of my favorite series, and since all of the originals come out on DS, it might qualify.
Let me voice them your thoughts.
Thanks, and the suggestions above like Trauma Center and No More Heroes are good (though those have not been expanded as much)
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Yes. It owuld be the same case. Let me ask admins if it is OK
EDIT: NMH has been ported to Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3
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yes, but here is the question inducing part: it was ported by the publisher, without the consent of the developer (as a result of their contract).
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so....... Is anyone working on a Pikmin wiki, or know of one we could get to join us? I couldn't buy a domain for awhile, but I have (or I like to think) a lot of knowledge on the series and could contribute A LOT
No pikmin wiki is being worked on ATM :)
I thought Pikmin had one?
http://pikmin.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
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no, wikia doesn't count as "independent"; as it needs the wikia network to survive.
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no, wikia doesn't count as "independent"; as it needs the wikia network to survive.
ok didn't know that
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so....... Is anyone working on a Pikmin wiki, or know of one we could get to join us? I couldn't buy a domain for awhile, but I have (or I like to think) a lot of knowledge on the series and could contribute A LOT
No pikmin wiki is being worked on ATM :)
I thought Pikmin had one?
http://pikmin.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
Well, that is a wikia, not an independant wiki :police:
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So to organize it we have
1) Franchises With an Already Aligned Wiki
-Mario (Super Mario Wiki)
-The Legend of Zelda (Zelda Wiki)
-Pokémon (Bulbapedia)
2) Franchises With a Wiki That Needs More Growth Before Alliance
-Metroid (Metroid Wiki)
-Kirby (WiKirby)
-Wars (Wars Wiki)
3) Spin-Off Franchises That Will Be Given a Wiki After Non Spin-Offs All Get One (Serious Franchises Marked With *)
-*Donkey Kong (Super Mario Wiki)
-Mario Kart (Super Mario Wiki)
-Mario Party (Super Mario Wiki)
-*Wario (Super Mario Wiki)
-*Yoshi (Super Mario Wiki)
-*Super Smash Bros. (Every Allie)
-Tingle (Zelda Wiki)
4) Popular Nintendo Franchises Without Independent Wikis
-Animal Crossing
-F-Zero
-Fire Emblem
-Earthbound/Mother
-Pikmin
-Nintendogs
-Punch-Out!!
-Star Fox
5) Less Important Franchises Without Wikis
-Chibi-Robo
-Custom Robo
-Excite Racing
-Game & Watch
-Golden Sun
-Kid Icarus
-The Legendary Starfy
-Pilot Wings
-Puzzle League
-Sin & Punishment
-Touch! Generations/Wii
-Wave Race
Think I got them all.
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Yes. It owuld be the same case. Let me ask admins if it is OK
EDIT: NMH has been ported to Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3
Yeah I know, if Ace Attorney was a possibility from being ported to IPod/IPhone, I thought the same with NMH.
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I think DK, Yoshi and Wario will remain within the SMW :police:
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So to organize it we have
1) Franchises With an Already Aligned Wiki
-Mario (Super Mario Wiki)
-The Legend of Zelda (Zelda Wiki)
-Pokémon (Bulbapedia)
2) Franchises With a Wiki That Needs More Growth Before Alliance
-Metroid (Metroid Wiki)
-Kirby (WiKirby)
-Wars (Wars Wiki)
3) Spin-Off Franchises That Will Be Given a Wiki After Non Spin-Offs All Get One (Serious Franchises Marked With *)
-*Donkey Kong (Super Mario Wiki)
-Mario Kart (Super Mario Wiki)
-Mario Party (Super Mario Wiki)
-*Wario (Super Mario Wiki)
-*Yoshi (Super Mario Wiki)
-*Super Smash Bros. (Every Allie)
-Tingle (Zelda Wiki)
4) Popular Nintendo Franchises Without Independent Wikis
-Animal Crossing
-F-Zero
-Fire Emblem
-Earthbound/Mother
-Pikmin
-Nintendogs
-Punch-Out!!
-Star Fox
5) Less Important Franchises Without Wikis
-Chibi-Robo
-Custom Robo
-Excite Racing
-Game & Watch
-Golden Sun
-Kid Icarus
-The Legendary Starfy
-Pilot Wings
-Puzzle League
-Sin & Punishment
-Touch! Generations/Wii
-Wave Race
Think I got them all.
Nice list. As Tucayo said, DK, Yoshi, and Wario should remain with SMW. I actually think all of the series under #3 should stay in their respective wikis except for Super Smash Bros.
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Indeed, there are too many things in the Smash universe that can't be covered in a few Wikis. :-\
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There actually was a Donkey Kong Wiki until 2007, which was set up by Porplemontage (the owner of the MarioWiki). However, he shut it down after it was deemed unnecessary to have; coverage on the Mario, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and Wario series remains on the Super Mario Wiki.
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There actually was a Donkey Kong Wiki until 2007, which was set up by Porplemontage (the owner of the MarioWiki). However, he shut it down after it was deemed unnecessary to have; coverage on the Mario, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and Wario series remains on the Super Mario Wiki.
So were all the articles in the Donkey Kong wiki merged into Super Mario Wiki?
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There actually was a Donkey Kong Wiki until 2007, which was set up by Porplemontage (the owner of the MarioWiki). However, he shut it down after it was deemed unnecessary to have; coverage on the Mario, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and Wario series remains on the Super Mario Wiki.
So were all the articles in the Donkey Kong wiki merged into Super Mario Wiki?
They originally were part of the MarioWiki, split, and remerged.
DK Wiki was more like a sub-port of the MarioWiki rather than a separate website.
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So to organize it we have
1) Franchises With an Already Aligned Wiki
-Mario (Super Mario Wiki)
-The Legend of Zelda (Zelda Wiki)
-Pokémon (Bulbapedia)
2) Franchises With a Wiki That Needs More Growth Before Alliance
-Metroid (Metroid Wiki)
-Kirby (WiKirby)
-Wars (Wars Wiki)
3) Spin-Off Franchises That Will Be Given a Wiki After Non Spin-Offs All Get One (Serious Franchises Marked With *)
-*Donkey Kong (Super Mario Wiki)
-Mario Kart (Super Mario Wiki)
-Mario Party (Super Mario Wiki)
-*Wario (Super Mario Wiki)
-*Yoshi (Super Mario Wiki)
-*Super Smash Bros. (Every Allie)
-Tingle (Zelda Wiki)
4) Popular Nintendo Franchises Without Independent Wikis
-Animal Crossing
-F-Zero
-Fire Emblem
-Earthbound/Mother
-Pikmin
-Nintendogs
-Punch-Out!!
-Star Fox
5) Less Important Franchises Without Wikis
-Chibi-Robo
-Custom Robo
-Excite Racing
-Game & Watch
-Golden Sun
-Kid Icarus
-The Legendary Starfy
-Pilot Wings
-Puzzle League
-Sin & Punishment
-Touch! Generations/Wii
-Wave Race
Think I got them all.
could we make one wiki for the smaller Franchises, also 1080 Snowbording, and Magical Starsign
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So to organize it we have
1) Franchises With an Already Aligned Wiki
-Mario (Super Mario Wiki)
-The Legend of Zelda (Zelda Wiki)
-Pokémon (Bulbapedia)
2) Franchises With a Wiki That Needs More Growth Before Alliance
-Metroid (Metroid Wiki)
-Kirby (WiKirby)
-Wars (Wars Wiki)
3) Spin-Off Franchises That Will Be Given a Wiki After Non Spin-Offs All Get One (Serious Franchises Marked With *)
-*Donkey Kong (Super Mario Wiki)
-Mario Kart (Super Mario Wiki)
-Mario Party (Super Mario Wiki)
-*Wario (Super Mario Wiki)
-*Yoshi (Super Mario Wiki)
-*Super Smash Bros. (Every Allie)
-Tingle (Zelda Wiki)
4) Popular Nintendo Franchises Without Independent Wikis
-Animal Crossing
-F-Zero
-Fire Emblem
-Earthbound/Mother
-Pikmin
-Nintendogs
-Punch-Out!!
-Star Fox
5) Less Important Franchises Without Wikis
-Chibi-Robo
-Custom Robo
-Excite Racing
-Game & Watch
-Golden Sun
-Kid Icarus
-The Legendary Starfy
-Pilot Wings
-Puzzle League
-Sin & Punishment
-Touch! Generations/Wii
-Wave Race
Think I got them all.
Actually, Star Fox has a wiki currently under way. Tacopill and I have been laying the groundwork, getting the server stuff done, etc. for it, and I have a line of editors ready to help out. I even have a skin designer for it, too. So cross Star Fox off the list :P
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Edited based on the last few posts.
1) Franchises With an Already Aligned Wiki
-Mario (Super Mario Wiki)
-The Legend of Zelda (Zelda Wiki)
-Pokémon (Bulbapedia)
2) Franchises With Wikis That Need More Growth Before Joining NIWA
-Metroid (Metroid Wiki)
-Kirby (WiKirby)
-Wars (Wars Wiki)
-Star Fox (Lylat Wiki)
3) Popular Nintendo Franchises Without Independent Wikis
-Animal Crossing
-F-Zero
-Fire Emblem
-Earthbound/Mother
-Pikmin
-Nintendogs
-Punch-Out!!
-Smash Bros.
4) Less Important Franchises Without Wikis
-Chibi-Robo
-Custom Robo
-Excite
-Game & Watch
-Golden Sun
-Kid Icarus
-The Legendary Starfy
-Pilotwings
-Puzzle League
-Sin & Punishment
-Touch! Generations/Wii
-Wave Race
-Magical Starsign/Vacation
-1080 Snowboarding/Avalanche
Edit: Forgot Smash.
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if I knew how to start a wiki I'd do it, can anyone help me out?
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if I knew how to start a wiki I'd do it, can anyone help me out?
You should talk to tacopill about that.
Or, depending on what the wiki's topic is, one of the staff.
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was there any luck in contacting the people who used to own the independent fire emblem wiki?
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We need to know what wikis the staff is planning on making, other than smash.
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agreed
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We already have an Animal Crossing wiki in the plans (it is owned by Yoshario. It is currently at wikkii, but is willing to become independent), about the Fire Emblem, AFAIK it wasnt exactly a wiki, it was a community intersted in FE series that we might contact. I will ask Archaic what happened :police:
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what did the staff say about Ace Attorney and NMH?
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what did the staff say about Ace Attorney and NMH?
It appears Ace Attorney would be elligible for an affiliation. For NMH, nothing has been decided yet
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well NMH is in a similar position with Ace Attorney
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what did the staff say about Ace Attorney and NMH?
It appears Ace Attorney would be elligible for an affiliation.
Awesome!
We should consider collaborating with a AA fansite such as Court Records (http://www.court-records.net/). I'm sure any fansite would bring an interested community with them.
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Revised list
1) Franchises in the NIWA
-Mario (Super Mario Wiki)
-The Legend of Zelda (Zelda Wiki)
-Pokémon (Bulbapedia)
2) Franchises with plans regarding NIWA membership
-Metroid (Metroid Wiki)
-Kirby (WiKirby)
-Wars (Wars Wiki)
-Star Fox (Lylat Wiki)
-Animal Crossing (Currently on Wikkii)
-Smash Bros. (Reserved by NIWA staff)
3) Popular Nintendo Franchises Without Independent Wikis
-F-Zero
-Fire Emblem (Possible member in FEWiki)
-Earthbound/Mother
-Pikmin
-Nintendogs (Does this belong here? It really is only one game with numerous variations)
-Punch-Out!!
-Ace Attorney
-Trauma Center (I'm assuming this is in the same boat as Ace Attorney; I may be wrong)
4) Franchises that would belong in a meta-wiki
-Too many to list
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i could get a Mother/Earthbound wiki going, after the star fox one is up.
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So if that's the case, is it possible for a Megaman Wiki to be considered? Or are there too many games on Playstation for that? (Ex. Any X game after 3 along with some remakes.)
-Nintendogs (Does this belong here? It really is only one game with numerous of variations)
I guess.
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Mega Man isn't a nintendo franchise, as in:
1) developed by a first part company, in house of nintendo.
2) developed by a second party company, then published by nintendo.
The second one, doesn't always apply, like certain Rare Titles.
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Mega Man isn't a nintendo franchise, as in:
1) developed by a first part company, in house of nintendo.
2) developed by a second party company, then published by nintendo.
The second one, doesn't always apply, like certain Rare Titles.
Ace Attorney? o_O
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however it still could be approved for affiliation like Ace Attorney and FYI, they are megaman and ace attorney are both made by Capcom.
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I think Megaman is not ellegible
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I think Megaman is not ellegible
What if the wiki were to center around the Megaman series that are predominantly Nintendo? Like the classic ones and Battle Network
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Well, also you've got to take into consideration the chance it will be in future smash bros, and the fact that some of those games were re-released on non-nintendo systems.
Check this wikipedia link out (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nintendo_franchises) maybe it will help clarify some things.
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Well, also you've got to take into consideration the chance it will be in future smash bros, and the fact that some of those games were re-released on non-nintendo systems.
Check this wikipedia link out (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nintendo_franchises) maybe it will help clarify some things.
yes but those are only the first party franchises.
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Mega Man isn't a nintendo franchise, as in:
1) developed by a first part company, in house of nintendo.
2) developed by a second party company, then published by nintendo.
The second one, doesn't always apply, like certain Rare Titles.
I would agree that first- and second-party titles should be in and third-party are on a case-by-case basis. Megaman is clearly a third-party title (with one exception*), and isn't exactly nintendo-exclusive. Ace Attorney, however, is technically a second-party series. In Australia, the original Phoenix Wright trilogy was published by Nintendo (of Australia). Thus, three of the five Ace Attorney games are second-party, with the others being Nintendo exclusive (the games being ported to the iPhone are actually the second-party titles). Call it loophole abuse, but that's how it is.
Page on Wikipedia, note the "Nintendo of Australia" in the Publishers field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Wright:_Ace_Attorney)
Australian Boxart, note the Nintendo logo in the bottom-right corner (http://www.nintendo.com.au/products/product/18683/985.jpg)
*Now, to be fair, Megaman can use the same loophole, to an extent. Megaman X (the game, not the series) was published by Nintendo in Europe. However, this is one game of at least 40, while the majority of Ace Attorney titles are second-party.
yes but those are only the first party franchises.
This is a better link, it shows first- and second-party titles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchises_established_on_Nintendo_systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchises_established_on_Nintendo_systems)
-Nintendogs (Does this belong here? It really is only one game with numerous of variations)
I think it can be demoted to "minor franchises".
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I was kinda hoping this would be a Nintendo site, not a games only on Nintendo systems site, but whatever
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yea. Me too. No offence to the companies and/or franchises, but Nintendo Franchises are a step above in terms of consistent quality, replay-ability and nostalgia-causing effects.
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I was kinda hoping this would be a Nintendo site, not a games only on Nintendo systems site, but whatever
What I was saying is that Ace Attorney is a second-party series, being published by Nintendo. Series like Kirby (which is developed by HAL Laboratory) and Fire Emblem (which is developed by Intelligent Systems) are second-party, so it isn't much of a reach.
So series like Sonic, Megaman, etc. wouldn't be covered, but Ace Attorney is an exception.
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I was kinda hoping this would be a Nintendo site, not a games only on Nintendo systems site, but whatever
What I was saying is that Ace Attorney is a second-party series, being published by Nintendo. Series like Kirby (which is developed by HAL Laboratory) and Fire Emblem (which is developed by Intelligent Systems) are second-party, so it isn't much of a reach.
So series like Sonic, Megaman, etc. wouldn't be covered, but Ace Attorney is an exception.
Nintendo was Publisher for Ace Attorney only in Australia
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you don't seem to get the point of what we are trying to say do you?
Just because it isn't "OMG NINTENDO PUBLISHES THIS EVERYWHERE !!!!!" doesn't mean it can't qualify as a Nintendo Franchise. There's always room for exceptions and there's always room for doubt.
Nintendo was Publisher for Ace Attorney only in Australia
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I was kinda hoping this would be a Nintendo site, not a games only on Nintendo systems site, but whatever
What I was saying is that Ace Attorney is a second-party series, being published by Nintendo. Series like Kirby (which is developed by HAL Laboratory) and Fire Emblem (which is developed by Intelligent Systems) are second-party, so it isn't much of a reach.
So series like Sonic, Megaman, etc. wouldn't be covered, but Ace Attorney is an exception.
Nintendo was Publisher for Ace Attorney only in Australia
We had agreed Ace Attorney was eligible for alliance before my posts about it being second-party. This just makes it a bit more legitimate.
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Megaman does not belong in the NIWA. It is not exclusive to Nintendo consoles. Ace Attorney's ports on the iPhone can be overlooked for two reasons. First, the iPhone is not even a serious video game console, nor is it a competitor to the DS. The release of Ace Attorney on the iPhone barely takes away from the exclusive status it has on the Nintendo DS. Additionally, the iPhone ports were just a minor afterthought, whereas the release of Megaman games on other consoles are planned. In no way whatsoever does Capcom even attempt to maintain Megaman as a franchise exclusive to Nintnedo consoles.
Those who have followed this thread since its beginning will know that Sonic was ruled ineligible for the same reasons. If you let Megaman in, then you'd have to let Sonic in. Then it will be Street Fighter, Bomberman, and Contra. These don't belong in this alliance.
As far as No More Heroes goes, its only been two games. It's too early to tell if it will stay Nintendo-exclusive. Besides that, two games does not warrant a wiki fit for this alliance. Games like Kid Icarus, Ballon Fight, Wrecking Crew, and Game & Watch are more deserving of a wiki; yet, they will more likely than not end up in a meta-wiki where No More Heroes also belongs.
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so it's agreed that an Ace Attorney wiki should be made?
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so it's agreed that an Ace Attorney wiki should be made?
Tucayo said a couple days ago:
It appears Ace Attorney would be elligible for an affiliation.
So yes. And it looks like everything else (NMH, Megaman, etc.) is ineligible.
As a side note, the Professor Layton series is in the same boat that Ace Attorney is in, being published by Nintendo everywhere but Japan.
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Oh gosh! Something is missing in the following list!
1) Franchises With an Already Aligned Wiki
- The Legend of Zelda (Zelda Wiki)
- Mario/Donkey Kong (Super Mario Wiki)
- Pokémon (Bulbapedia)
2) Franchises With Wikis That Need More Growth Before Joining NIWA
- Animal Crossing (In the works)
- Kirby (WiKirby)
- Metroid (Metroid Wiki)
- Star Fox (Lylat Wiki)
- Super Smash Bros. (Reserved by NIWA staff)
- Wars (Wars Wiki)
3) Popular Nintendo Franchises Without Independent Wikis
- Earthbound/Mother
- F-Zero
- Fire Emblem
- Nintendogs
- Pikmin
- Punch-Out!!
4) Less Important Franchises Without Wikis
- 1080°
- Chibi-Robo
- Custom Robo
- Excite
- Game & Watch
- Golden Sun
- Kid Icarus
- The Legendary Starfy
- Magical Starsign/Vacation
- Pilotwings
- Puzzle League
- Sin & Punishment
- Touch! Generations/Wii
- Wave Race
Apparently, you guys had forgotten to add the... heh... often forgotten StarTropics series! Yeah, there were only two games, but Kid Icarus had two games as well. Oh, what about Wrecking Crew? What about Ice Climber? What about Balloon Fight? Duck Hunt? Clu Clu Land? Oh, there is also Nintendo relatively new downloadable Art Style series for both WiiWare and DSiWare! Anyone played the sequel to Endless Ocean yet?
Seriously, guys! There are so many Nintendo one-timers that deserve to be up there with the other Nintendo giants! In case you're totally unaware of the entire list of games owned by Nintendo in some way or another, you can always refer to NinDB's list of gaming franchises (http://www.nindb.net/search-series.html)! Also keep in mind many games and series never seen the light of day outside Japan yet, despite the fact more of them are being internationally released with later games!
Apparently, they do not consider either Ace Attorney or Trauma as Nintendo franchises!
Oh, that reminds me. Anyone here noticed the Glory of Heracles series is finally seeing international release after it reamerged as a brand-new Nintendo franchise? You can read about the history of the series here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_of_Heracles_%28series%29). This series may have always appeared only to Nintendo consoles, but it never belonged to Nintendo until their creators went bankrupt, and Nintendo, with Paon, acquired all copyrights to series before finally making the lastest installment on the Nintendo DS, which was a first for the game as it saw an overseas release!
By the way, if you're talking about Wii and Touch! Generations games collectively, does this mean it should include games such Big Brain Academy, Brain Age (Dr. Kawashima's Brain Training to PAL users), Electroplankton, Master of Illusion, Picross, Wii Fit, Wii Music, Wii Sports, and many others?
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Apparently, they do not consider either Ace Attorney or Trauma as Nintendo franchises!
We've established that oh so many times now. read the last 2 pages of post or so again.
About everything else: all of those are either too small to warrant their own wiki, are japanese series that barely anyone can get info on to make a successful wiki, or will be in the wiki for smaller series.
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Apparently, they do not consider either Ace Attorney or Trauma as Nintendo franchises!
And no offense, but the rulings of the NIWA staff overrule ninDB (which certainty is a reputable source, nonetheless).
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TO summarize:
Ace Attorney: Yes
NMH, Megaman, Sonic: No
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TO summarize:
Ace Attorney: Yes
NMH, Megaman, Sonic: No
Agreed.
Professor Layton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Layton) is a series with two trilogies, one complete and one in progress, a film, and another film in the works. Like Ace Attorney, it is Nintendo-exclusive and is partially published by Nintendo (except Layton is published by Nintendo everywhere but Japan). I'm not really a fan of the series, but I thought I would bring this up because I found out about it when I was researching Ace Attorney's publishers.
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Professor Layton seems to be more likely to be accepted than ace attorney, and ace attorney was, so...
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Professor Layton seems to be more likely to be accepted than ace attorney, and ace attorney was, so...
Agreed. Assuming anyone wants to make it, it should be eligible.
List as of now, changes in bold:
1) Franchises With an Already Aligned Wiki
- The Legend of Zelda (Zelda Wiki)
- Mario/Donkey Kong (Super Mario Wiki)
- Pokémon (Bulbapedia)
2) Franchises With Wikis That Need More Growth Before Joining NIWA
- Animal Crossing (In the works)
- Kirby (WiKirby)
- Metroid (Metroid Wiki)
- Star Fox (Lylat Wiki)
- Super Smash Bros. (Reserved by NIWA staff)
- Wars (Wars Wiki)
3) Popular Nintendo Franchises Without Independent Wikis
- Earthbound/Mother
- F-Zero
- Fire Emblem
- Pikmin
- Punch-Out!!
- Ace Attorney
- Prof. Layton (not official, but presumably)
- Trauma Center? (not sure yet)
- Golden Sun (what Jo said)
4) Less Important Franchises Without Wikis
- 1080°
- Chibi-Robo
- Custom Robo
- Excite
- Game & Watch
- Kid Icarus
- The Legendary Starfy
- Magical Starsign/Vacation
- Nintendogs (debatable, but I think it is minor)
- Pilotwings
- Puzzle League
- Sin & Punishment
- Touch! Generations/Wii
- Wave Race
Anything else is probably not significant enough for its own wiki and articles pertaining to it will be on the proposed meta-wiki. If anyone has a series they believe to be large enough for a standalone wiki, say so in this thread.
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I would call Golden Sun an important one without a Wiki- and with an impeding third game in the series, I would say now is the time to get one initiated if at all possible. Ride the wave, so to speak.
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Now that we have this "What Making a Wiki" business sorted out, who is making what and when if needed?
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I'm not an expert at any of the franchises under category 3, but I would be able to help with the basics of any of the potential wikis. I'm also willing to do research on any of the franchises.
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currently i'm helping put the star fox wiki. When that is more up and running, i'd be more than willing to help put up another wiki.
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Well, people, for those franchises that dont have a wiki, or that are too minor, we, the NIWA staff, are planning to make a Nintendo Wiki to cover Nintendo stuff and those franchises :)
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so we should only concern ourselves with the major series, excluding AC and Smash, correct?
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Correct :police:
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Well, people, for those franchises that dont have a wiki, or that are too minor, we, the NIWA staff, are planning to make a Nintendo Wiki to cover Nintendo stuff and those franchises :)
Would you say that all of the following franchises are deserving of their own wiki, or do you think any of these franchises are too minor?
•Earthbound/Mother
•F-Zero
•Fire Emblem
•Pikmin
•Punch-Out!!
•Ace Attorney
•Prof. Layton (not official, but presumably)
•Trauma Center? (not sure yet)
•Golden Sun (what Jo said)
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Well, people, for those franchises that dont have a wiki, or that are too minor, we, the NIWA staff, are planning to make a Nintendo Wiki to cover Nintendo stuff and those franchises :)
Would you say that all of the following franchises are deserving of their own wiki, or do you think any of these franchises are too minor?
•Earthbound/Mother
•F-Zero
•Fire Emblem
•Pikmin
•Punch-Out!!
•Ace Attorney
•Prof. Layton (not official, but presumably)
•Trauma Center? (not sure yet)
•Golden Sun (what Jo said)
Ace Attorney, Fire Emblem, F-Zero, and Punch-Out!! are the two biggest franchises there, they should have their own wikis, though F-Zero and Fire Emblem would pose some problems due to some games being Japan only. The others are big in their own right and have new games coming in (except for Mother, which I would say is a gray area for that list)
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I would say F-Zero, Punch Out!! and Trauma Center (if applicable) would be to minor for a wiki.
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So here's what's left:
•Fire Emblem (Ten games, two playable appearances in SSB, manga)
•Ace Attorney (Five games, one game to be released, manga)
•Professor Layton (Four games released, one game to be released, one film, two novels, manga)
Here are the ones that others or myself believe are in a gray area:
•Pikmin (Two games, one game to be released, one non-playable appearance in SSB)
•Golden Sun (Two games, one game to be released, assist trophy in SSBB)
•Earthbound/Mother (Three games, three playable appearances in SSB, manga)
•F-Zero (Six games released, one expansion pack, one arcade game, anime series, three playable appearances in SSB)
•Punch-Out!! (Three games, one WiiWare mini-game, one spin-off game, assist trophy in SSBB)
•Trauma Center (Four games, one game to be released)
Fire Emblem seems to be a good place to start creating wikis.
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Ace Attorney also has one yet to be released game and 2 theater productions (only mentioning this bit since you mentioned the movie for professor layton)
I wouldn't start with FE because we should wait and keep trying to contact that old independent FE wiki.
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Well, people, for those franchises that dont have a wiki, or that are too minor, we, the NIWA staff, are planning to make a Nintendo Wiki to cover Nintendo stuff and those franchises :)
Would you say that all of the following franchises are deserving of their own wiki, or do you think any of these franchises are too minor?
•Earthbound/Mother
•F-Zero
•Fire Emblem
•Pikmin
•Punch-Out!!
•Ace Attorney
•Prof. Layton (not official, but presumably)
•Trauma Center? (not sure yet)
•Golden Sun (what Jo said)
Ace Attorney, Fire Emblem, F-Zero, and Punch-Out!! are the two biggest franchises there, they should have their own wikis, though F-Zero and Fire Emblem would pose some problems due to some games being Japan only. The others are big in their own right and have new games coming in (except for Mother, which I would say is a gray area for that list)
Half the games in the Wars series are Japan only, and it's an issue for us at Wars Wiki, but not something that can't be overcome. There are probably patches that change the language to English for most FE and F-Zero games, so there shouldn't be much of a language barrier.
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Methinks the number of games in a single series does not justify the size of a wiki at all! For example, there had been five official games in the Star Fox series, two cancelled games (which one has been fully leaked into the internet), with a rumour a sixth game in currently in the works, and the series has a big fandom, loads of merchandise, and additionally three characters, with several related elements, in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and one of the characters is a veteran since the very first game. However, apparently, the Star Fox wiki on Wikia (http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) seems to have a lot less articles than the Wikia wiki about the Mother series (http://earthbound.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page), which only has three games by far, each one almost a decade apart!
Just a thought to think about when regarding establishing wikis based on certain "minor" series.
Saying that the lack of availablity of certain game titles outside Japan would hinder a wiki's database of information is utterly not excusable! I mean, seriously, the original six Final Fantasy games weren't all released in the west, and yet people managed to find out about them anyway during the early days even before Final Fantasy VII was ever first released! I also notice Fire Emblem's fanbase seems to know an awful lot about the earlier games, which weren't released outside Japan either! Apparently, a lot of people were aware of the series even before Nintendo included Marth and Roy in Super Smash Bros. Melee!
By the way, I still think series like the ever-forgotten StarTropics, Nintendo's newly-owned Glory of Heracles, and Nintendo's many one-timers from the Nintendo Entertainment System days, should all have their own wikis! I believe we can include the many one-timers in a collective wiki, and call it like the "Nintendo 8-Bit Generation Wiki" or something...
Oh, and Hotchmoney, Nintendogs games is considered to be part of the Touch! Generations franchise. It cannot have its own wiki.
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what about a Dragon Quest/Warrior wiki, most of the games have been on Nintendo systems with the upcoming 10th game coming to the Wii
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what about a Dragon Quest/Warrior wiki, most of the games have been on Nintendo systems with the upcoming 10th game coming to the Wii
keyword is most.
It should be all, not most.
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I believe we can include the many one-timers in a collective wiki, and call it like the "Nintendo 8-Bit Generation Wiki" or something...
This is in the works. In the past few pages, you may have noticed us talking about a meta-wiki. In case you didn't know what that meant, it's basically going to be a wiki for franchises that don't have enough content for their own, separate wiki.
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By the way, I still think series like the ever-forgotten StarTropics, Nintendo's newly-owned Glory of Heracles, and Nintendo's many one-timers from the Nintendo Entertainment System days, should all have their own wikis! I believe we can include the many one-timers in a collective wiki, and call it like the "Nintendo 8-Bit Generation Wiki" or something...
I'd say Glory of Heracles is viable if we can find a community for it. I'd say StarTropics is too small (by which I mean it would get meta-wiki entries but not a standalone wiki), and the "many one-timers" are better fit for a meta-wiki than a seperate one.
Oh, and Hotchmoney, Nintendogs games is considered to be part of the Touch! Generations franchise. It cannot have its own wiki.
Sounds good. I think this Touch! Generations wiki could really be large, if we can get a community willing to edit it.
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Earthbound has practically a cult following it for a series only having 3 games. And if fans would actually work hard enough to translate it, it deserves a wiki. Also, what if we made a wiki for 3rd party games that are released on Nintendo consoles like Sonic, Mega Man, and Metal Gear?
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Earthbound has practically a cult following it for a series only having 3 games. And if fans would actually work hard enough to translate it, it deserves a wiki. Also, what if we made a wiki for 3rd party games that are released on Nintendo consoles like Sonic, Mega Man, and Metal Gear?
I think that would fit under the meta-wiki area of "related games", as they really have nothing to do with each other aside from at one time being on a Nintendo console (even if that time is current).
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Earthbound has practically a cult following it for a series only having 3 games. And if fans would actually work hard enough to translate it, it deserves a wiki. Also, what if we made a wiki for 3rd party games that are released on Nintendo consoles like Sonic, Mega Man, and Metal Gear?
We have already discussed franchises like Megaman, Sonic, and most likely Metal Gear, WON'T have their own wiki, for being 3rd Party characters and branching to be out on multiple consoles not made by Nintendo. The only exception to this is Ace Attorney (currently) where all of it's games are on Nintendo consoles, with the exception of it's minor ports.
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We have already discussed franchises like Megaman, Sonic, and most likely Metal Gear, WON'T have their own wiki, for being 3rd Party characters and branching to be out on multiple consoles not made by Nintendo. The only exception to this is Ace Attorney (currently) where all of it's games are on Nintendo consoles, with the exception of it's minor ports.
In addition to Ace Attorney, Professor Layton and Trauma Center are being considered. Generally, if the series is Nintendo-exclusive, it is eligible for inclusion. It also helps that Ace Attorney and Layton are published by Nintendo in some regions.
List update:
Agreed. Assuming anyone wants to make it, it should be eligible.
List as of now, changes in bold:
1) Franchises With an Already Aligned Wiki
- The Legend of Zelda (Zelda Wiki)
- Mario/Donkey Kong (Super Mario Wiki)
- Pokémon (Bulbapedia)
2) Franchises With Wikis That Need More Growth Before Joining NIWA
- Animal Crossing (In the works)
- Kirby (WiKirby)
- Metroid (Metroid Wiki)
- Star Fox (Lylat Wiki)
- Super Smash Bros. (Reserved by NIWA staff)
- Wars (Wars Wiki)
3) Popular Nintendo Franchises Without Independent Wikis
- Earthbound/Mother
- Fire Emblem
- Ace Attorney
- Prof. Layton
- Golden Sun
4) Less Important Franchises Without Wikis
- 1080°
- Chibi-Robo
- Custom Robo
- Excite
- F-Zero
- Game & Watch
- Kid Icarus
- The Legendary Starfy
- Magical Starsign/Vacation
- Pikmin
- Punch-Out!!
- Pilotwings
- Puzzle League
- Sin & Punishment
- Touch! Generations/Wii (Nintendogs is merged into this)
- Trauma Center
- Wave Race
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Methinks the number of games in a single series does not justify the size of a wiki at all! For example, there had been five official games in the Star Fox series, two cancelled games (which one has been fully leaked into the internet), with a rumour a sixth game in currently in the works, and the series has a big fandom, loads of merchandise, and additionally three characters, with several related elements, in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and one of the characters is a veteran since the very first game. However, apparently, the Star Fox wiki on Wikia (http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) seems to have a lot less articles than the Wikia wiki about the Mother series (http://earthbound.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page), which only has three games by far, each one almost a decade apart!
Good point. I think a good way to see if a franchise has enough content and support for its own wiki is to look at how many articles the wikia version has. For example, Pikmin only has two games. However, it has over 1,200 article on http://pikmin.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page . This shows that it has enough content in its games to justify a wiki, and enough fans to support it. The Legendary Starfy, in contrast, has five games, but less than 200 articles. I think wikia's article account is more important than the number of games when deciding which franchises deserve a wiki.
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We shouldn't use wikia as a reference.
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Out of curiosity, if Touch Generations were to have its own Wiki, what articles would we have in mind? :|
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We shouldn't use wikia as a reference.
Just because Wikia is a greedy host, it doesn't mean the wikis they host are as bad as they are! Wikia hosts so many of the largest online wikis in so many particular topics!
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Out of curiosity, if Touch Generations were to have its own Wiki, what articles would we have in mind? :|
Articles on every game that is labeled under the Touch Generations brand (including Nintendogs), as well as articles on the Wii series (Wii Sports, Wii Play, etc.).
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We shouldn't use wikia as a reference.
Just because Wikia is a greedy host, it doesn't mean the wikis they host are as bad as they are! Wikia hosts so many of the largest online wikis in so many particular topics!
I would avoid using the word "host" when talking about a wiki on Wikia, and think more in terms of "own/run". Wikia use the terminology of "hosting" to lure financially strapped wikis in, but a proper read of their terms and conditions shows that the whole thing is a lot more insidious.
The wikis on Wikia might not in all cases be bad in terms of content, but they are most certainly complacent.
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I was thinking about hosting the Ace Attorney wiki on Paper Jorge's (a MarioWiki user) domain, but he seems reluctant to help :-\
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I was thinking about hosting the Ace Attorney wiki on Paper Jorge's (a MarioWiki user) domain, but he seems reluctant to help :-\
Have you ever asked why?
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I was thinking about hosting the Ace Attorney wiki on Paper Jorge's (a MarioWiki user) domain, but he seems reluctant to help :-\
you've asked him?
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I've asked him before, yeah.
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so he refused?
that's a shame.
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I know that you may want to post here like it's a chatroom, but lets try to expand our posts and stay away from one-liners.
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I know that you may want to post here like it's a chatroom, but lets try to expand our posts and stay away from one-liners.
There are differences between one-liners and other one-liners. "OK", ":P" or "tl;dr" dont bring anything to the conversation, while some posts like the ones before do help :police:
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Well, I've finally gotten the Ace Attorney Wiki up and running here. (http://linkjorge.net/aceattorney)
As you can plainly see it's still a work in progress, but I'm planning to install extensions and work on content in the near future.
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Well, I've finally gotten the Ace Attorney Wiki up and running here. (http://linkjorge.net/aceattorney)
As you can plainly see it's still a work in progress, but I'm planning to install extensions and work on content in the near future.
I am excited about this. Hopefully, it will all work out and the such. ;D
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Well, I've finally gotten the Ace Attorney Wiki up and running here. (http://linkjorge.net/aceattorney)
As you can plainly see it's still a work in progress, but I'm planning to install extensions and work on content in the near future.
Looks great, I'll be sure to edit there.
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Hello. My name is Shadowcrest, both here and at SmashWiki (http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/User:Shadowcrest), where I am a bureaucrat. If I make any newb mistakes in this post, I preemptively apologize- my experience with forums is basically nonexistant. :P
A few weeks ago, I was contacted by Jioruji Derako (I don't know if that name means anything to anyone here- I only know he is an admin at Bulbapedia, I have no idea to what extent he is involved at NIWA), who said that there could perhaps be a way for SmashWiki to be rehosted independently of Wikia, which I'd readily support, though I'm afraid my terminology on hosting or whatever might be off a bit. (Bit of background: Jioruji and I are both admins at GuildWiki [http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page], which was sold out to Wikia despite the questionable legality of its sale, so I think I am safe in saying for him also that neither of us are fans of Wikia.) I got on Skype to discuss with some people that I believe were from NIWA about what could happen regarding an independent Smash Bros. wiki, though I don't recall the names of any users there, but no relevant discussion occurred and after that night it was never mentioned to me again, so I assumed the idea had fallen through and wasn't worth pursuing any further.
However, tonight it was brought to my attention by a user of WikiTroid(?) (for reasons I'll detail below) that NIWA is planning on setting up an independent Smash Bros. wiki regardless of whether or not SmashWiki(a) would be willing to support this. As a supporter of a wiki for the Smash series and since I am not-quite-so-supportive of Wikia, I would like to theoretically offer my support in such an endeavor. Many of the long-standing users of SmashWiki have a generally negative view of Wikia, since they too were also bought out (though under different circumstances), and I believe that with effort I could get many contributors to redirect their efforts to a non-Wikia wiki. However, if I were to try and assist in attempting a mass migration of sorts... what reasons would I be able to offer the users who are opposed or even on the fence about moving to persuade them it's a good idea? There are inconveniences such as requiring going through Wikia to request a CheckUser, not being able to remove bureaucrat status from other bureaucrats, not being able to grant bot status without Wikia's approval, and of course the principle of the wiki being truly run by its contributors, but I am wary that this isn't going to convince anyone to take on all the duplication of effort. Are there any other things I would be able to offer in favor of separation that I have failed to take note of? *update, see below
However, there is one issue I've had thus far with NIWA wikis: plagiarism. (Forgive me if I am lumping all NIWA wikis together unfairly.) This ties in particularly well with the duplication of effort bit. The person who pointed out to me that NIWA intended to make their own Smash wiki also pointed out more than one instance of copyright violation, either by copy+paste or paraphrasing Wikia's content. Since as far as I know all NIWA wikis are GFDL and Wikia is (now) CC-BY-SA, this is of course illegal. What level of involvement does NIWA have in their wikis? (I suppose what I am really trying to say is, "Did NIWA know that these wikis were engaging in copyright infringement and do nothing about it?") The 2 wikis I noticed this on both seemed to have taken up "official" stances against plagiarism, though I am not sure to what extent this is enforced. I suppose the main point of this paragraph is that I am seeking reassurance that NIWA does not condone in any way copyright infringement, no matter how much they oppose Wikia, and that the Smash Bros. NIWA wiki (as my primary area of interest with NIWA) will not be copying (directly or indirectly) content from SmashWiki.
I suppose I'm done with this particular wall-of-text for now. :)
Regards,
Shadowcrest
*Edit: After posting this message, I found this post by Archaic (http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=98.0), which is a pretty good list of reasons. Anyone else still have others to add?
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Hi Shadowcrest! Thanks for getting to us.
Yes, it is true that we are planning to make a Smash Wiki, but there has also been the option of getting you out of Wikia, because you are the biggest Smash Wiki in the internet, but as I said, the only problem is you being at Wikia.
If you use IRC, you can go onto Darkmyst to #niwa and I can guarantee you that a NIWA admin will be there most of the time. Actually, many of us, MW staff go on chat on a daily basis. In fact, you can easily get there by going into th Chatroom topic in the General Discussion board (you need Java)
About the users who may oppose the move, well, I would not stop the moving for them. (That being, if they are a minory. If they are the most part, then there will be a problem). We can convince the opposers to change to an independant server, telling them how Wikia is evil and how NIWA would help you in many ways.
Plagiarism... Yes, sadly, that happened during the first articles of WiKirby and Metroid Wiki, but that problem was fastly resolved and now I can guarantee you none of the content is copied from another site.
If you need any help, please contact me, I am willing to help :police:
--Tucayo
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Lylat Wiki has just put together a Interwiki policy to help ward off acts of plagiarism. I am currently looking for people to give me feed back on it, so if you are interested in reviewing it (or even becoming a contributor :D), please contact me. We aren't ready to go public, but we are ready for content - It's a confusing time in a wiki' life - and we need all the help we can get.
Also, i support these actions of of making the smash wiki independent. It is a very good wiki i reference often, wikia-parts sometimes withheld. ;D
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Are plans for SmashWiki publicly available, or are they only visible to staff or whatever? I ask because I'm wondering what sorts of actions should I be taking in order to operate most effectively with the current plans; should I just start a discussion on SmashWiki about migration, or what?
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It's being discussed with staff, but we can also discuss it publicly :)
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Feel free to make a topic, if you like. Might make it easier to focus on specific issues for your wiki rather than having it either get lost amongst this thread, or ending up taking it over.
I'd like to assure you, the idea most certainly hasn't fallen through. It's just that a lot of our staff have been distracted of late. All the Bulbapedia people for starters have had the Heart Gold / Soul Silver releases to deal with.
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I'm not aware of any plagiarism at WiKirby. There was a prediction of plagiarism from one of the guys, but as far as I know it wasn't done. We've been checking edits from users as much as possible and only found one newcomer copy/pasting. I honestly think it may have been one of the Wikia guys testing us to see if we'd act against it. But that was resolved right away. I know the Metroid Wiki had a huge fuss with Wikitroid over someone rampantly copy/pasting and paraphrasing. I believed that was resolved as well. We all know it happens everywhere from time to time. It's just a matter of dealing with it after the fact. I've even seen Mario Wiki messages from its early days dealing with people that pasted content from Wikia. I'm certain Bulbapedia has faced an accusation at least once. And I've dealt with a few at Zelda Wiki. But in all honesty, the plagiarism between Zelda Wiki.org and Zeldapedia has been vastly overstated bc they threw fits about any instance of articles we had that followed the most obvious layout (sectioned by game). There's only been a handful of cases in which copying was obvious, we removed it and told the editor not to do that. On the other hand, we know of several pages at Zeldapedia, in which we wrote incorrect info at Zelda Wiki.org, waited for one of their regulars to copy it and add it to Zeldapedia, then corrected our page; leaving them with incorrect bits. (Shameful, I know, but we had massive problems with them at that time.)
Anyway, a Smash Wiki would be awesome. I predict problems with this one since there's like 5 people that want to own it. Steve of Zelda Wiki.org being one of them. Nate mentioned that ZW's staff would be most supportive of anything from Steve. He created the skins for Metroid Wiki and WiKirby for free (and it's an invaluable favor), so we naturally will be obligated to support him. I'm hoping he chooses to work with everyone else expressing interest in getting the Smash Wiki started to prevent any rifts.
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While I was searching the Ace Attorney Wiki (http://linkjorge.net/aceattorney/index.php/Main_Page) I noticed a link to an Animal Crossing Wiki. Excuse me if this has been mentioned, but could this be a possible host for an Animal Crossing Wiki?
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While I was searching the Ace Attorney Wiki (http://linkjorge.net/aceattorney/index.php/Main_Page) I noticed a link to an Animal Crossing Wiki. Excuse me if this has been mentioned, but could this be a possible host for an Animal Crossing Wiki?
It may be, I will ask Jorge
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Out of curiosity, if Touch Generations were to have its own Wiki, what articles would we have in mind? :|
Articles on every game that is labeled under the Touch Generations brand (including Nintendogs), as well as articles on the Wii series (Wii Sports, Wii Play, etc.).
does that include Art Style games?
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Out of curiosity, if Touch Generations were to have its own Wiki, what articles would we have in mind? :|
Articles on every game that is labeled under the Touch Generations brand (including Nintendogs), as well as articles on the Wii series (Wii Sports, Wii Play, etc.).
does that include Art Style games?
I think it does
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Out of curiosity, if Touch Generations were to have its own Wiki, what articles would we have in mind? :|
Articles on every game that is labeled under the Touch Generations brand (including Nintendogs), as well as articles on the Wii series (Wii Sports, Wii Play, etc.).
does that include Art Style games?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Touch!_Generations_titles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Touch!_Generations_titles)
It's not on the list, but we could definitely expand this to a "Casual Games Wiki" (but perhaps with a better title, as that sounds a bit degrading).
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if that's true, are you going to restrict it to Nintendo-Games? or have all "Casual Games"
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This thread is to request joining the Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance for ambitious, high-quality, independently hosted Wikis that are interested in joining the movement.
Um, should someone create a Sonic the Hedgehog Wiki and a Donkey Kong Wiki? :eekdance: :mario: :mario: :mario: :mario: :mario:
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Nah. if you look at this thread's past posts, you'll notice a few things:
* Only Nintendo Franchises (so no Sonic)
* No multiple wiki's covering the same area (see Super Mario Wiki (http://www.mariowiki.com/Donkey_Kong#References)
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Yeah, but didn't Sonic appear in Super Smash Bros Brawl??
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Yeah, but didn't Sonic appear in Super Smash Bros Brawl??
so he is a SEGA Franchise not a Nintendo Franchise
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If anything he would be mentioned in the brawl wiki, which may end up being the exsisting brawl wika minus the wika domain.
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if that's true, are you going to restrict it to Nintendo-Games? or have all "Casual Games"
I would include all Touch Gen. games to start and allow the wiki to cover any first- (or second-)party game that had been approved as "casual" by a committee on the wiki. This committee could be comprised of admins, etc., and would investigate any game (within reason) for which someone had submitted a request for approval. Committee members would post findings and discuss in a thread (within a committee-only forum), and then take a vote on whether or not to approve the game. Either way, the result of the vote would be released to the rest of the wiki, and coverage could begin on a game that was just approved immediately. Articles about games currently in the review process could still be in the mainspace, but would be flagged as "potentially irrelevant content" or something along those lines.
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http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=100.0
up there, it says that someone contacted Transformers Wiki
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http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=100.0
up there, it says that someone contacted Transformers Wiki
Yes so, um... what about it?
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Hello. I'm an administrator of Wikifang (http://telefang.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page), a Telefang Wikia. Telefang is a small "franchise" consisting of only two games made by Smilesoft. We're covering other games by Smilesoft, too, all of which have been released only on Nintendo consoles.
I was wondering if there's an article limit for joining the alliance. I'm not requesting it for now (we're stuck with Wikia anyways, even though I've wanted to break out of it for quite some time now), but we might want to join you some day.
Thanks
Just to let you know, I wholly support the idea of NIWA.
EDIT: By the way. Can't change my profile, it's returning an error. And I don't want to sound rude here, but could you please write the server and channel on the chat page instead of throwing an java applet in my face? Thanks :)
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I never heard of those games
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Hello, thanks for your interest in NIWA. There is not a written limit, but we are currently working with a 200-article limit, which you already passed :) We would be happy to help you move out of wikia if you decide to.
Also, about the profile, I am trying to contact SMF so they can help us solve the problem, I hope it can be solved soon, sorry.
EDIT: Problem has been solved
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Hello, thanks for your interest in NIWA. There is not a written limit, but we are currently working with a 200-article limit, which you already passed :) We would be happy to help you move out of wikia if you decide to.
I'm happy to hear that! Thanks for the offer, we'll think it over.
Also, about the profile, I am trying to contact SMF so they can help us solve the problem, I hope it can be solved soon, sorry.
EDIT: Problem has been solved
That was quick. Thanks!
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Do any of us here have any plans to make a new Wiki, or are we still searching for affiliates?
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I wouldn't mind hosting a wiki, if only I knew how...
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I wouldn't mind hosting a wiki, if only I knew how...
i could teach you how. pm, im, email or skype me.
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So, in May the new wikis will be formally introduced into NIWA, we will introduce one each week, this is the calendar:
May 16th: WiKirby
May 23rd: Metroid Wiki
May 30th: Wars Wiki
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So, in May the new wikis will be formally introduced into NIWA, we will introduce one each week, this is the calendar:
May 16th: WiKirby
May 23rd: Metroid Wiki
May 30th: Wars Wiki
When could you add events to the calender? I tired it (as a test only), but it didn't work. [Perhaps it is admins only.]
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So, in May the new wikis will be formally introduced into NIWA, we will introduce one each week, this is the calendar:
May 16th: WiKirby
May 23rd: Metroid Wiki
May 30th: Wars Wiki
When could you add events to the calender? I tired it (as a test only), but it didn't work. [Perhaps it is admins only.]
Sadly, even admins can't.... I will see what is the problem
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So, in May the new wikis will be formally introduced into NIWA, we will introduce one each week, this is the calendar:
May 16th: WiKirby
May 23rd: Metroid Wiki
May 30th: Wars Wiki
Will the wikis be inducted only if they have met the 200-article mark by the induction date? Or is that policy being discarded?
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Don't quote me for this: but I think they will join reguardless of the "they need 200 articles" propostion.
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Hmmm.... Yeah, I think they will join anyway
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Don't quote me for this: but I think they will join regardless of the "they need 200 articles" proposition.
So are we going to decide on some sort of requirements for induction in future wikis? If not the 200-article limit, then what?
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We will use that requirement, along with the Activity one and some other things.
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Yeah, barring them from joining when they were already approved would be like making an ex post facto law. But methinks that all three should whip into shape for the joining!
*runs off to WK*
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Are we going to need a Dragon Quest wiki, now that Nintendo's publishing it?
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Are we going to need a Dragon Quest wiki, now that Nintendo's publishing it?
sadly no, I already asked, since VII and VIII are one the playstation and ps2 respectively it doesn't meet the NIWA rules, the two of us could make one it doesn't have to be part of NIWA
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Wait, what are the requirements for affiliation, but not full membership?
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Wait, what are the requirements for affiliation, but not full membership?
I am afraid I don't know them. I think it is necessary to be Nitnendo related and active, but I don't know the whole details
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I'm not sure about everyone else, but I still feel that we aren't quite a community yet. Yes, there is plenty of room to add more wikis/members, but quantity isn't the answer here. I don't know what needs to happen, but we could be more of a unit.
I think we need to take baby steps here. The NIWA community is almost entirely made up of the three founding members' communities (Bulbagarden, Mario Wiki, and Zelda Wiki), as Metroid Wiki and WiKirby were founded by these wikis (and you can count the number of active editors here at Wars Wiki with two hands). These three communities are well-developed and large, and, more importantly, independent. Furthermore, NIWA was formally created less than two months ago. I bet some editors don't even know NIWA exists, and that the vast majority have never been to this forum. Now I don't think the wikis are at fault: the three founding wikis are doing a good enough job of advertising NIWA's existence and linking to the other member wikis. Though this forum and the actual NIWA website could be linked to a bit more, I think that this is simply a matter of time and we just need to wait for people to trickle in and gain interest. I hope that eventually, some editors will not edit one wiki exclusively but will move between any number of NIWA wikis that they have the passion and knowledge to work on. (I think that an (optional) universal login would be necessary for this to come to fruition.) Also, we certainty don't want to disregard the existence of separate communities around each wiki; these are a very important part of the wikis and I doubt that any would want to be assimilated into a larger NIWA community.
The best way to catalyze this behavior, in my opinion, would be through the creation of alliance-wide projects and initiatives. This "NIWA Operative" idea that Austin suggested seems like a great idea that will help raise awareness of NIWA and help the wikis greatly. However, I think this could be expanded into a series of organized, cross-wiki efforts (or "NIWAProjects") to improve NIWA wikis. There could be NIWAProjects for new, developing wikis that need more editors, NIWAProjects that focus on improving spelling, grammar, and style across all wikis, NIWAProjects that work on improving infoboxes and other templates, et cetera. NIWAProjects could be organized on the forums, have their own task forces and leadership, and co-ordinate with the leadership of NIWA wikis within the NIWAProject's scope on various levels. I think this is a really interesting idea that could build bridges between the various communities, and would like to hear what you all think about it.
I've read through this post on the Suggestions topic, will we make a NIWA Projects topic, and this thread will be moved there essentially?
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I'm not sure about everyone else, but I still feel that we aren't quite a community yet. Yes, there is plenty of room to add more wikis/members, but quantity isn't the answer here. I don't know what needs to happen, but we could be more of a unit.
I think we need to take baby steps here. The NIWA community is almost entirely made up of the three founding members' communities (Bulbagarden, Mario Wiki, and Zelda Wiki), as Metroid Wiki and WiKirby were founded by these wikis (and you can count the number of active editors here at Wars Wiki with two hands). These three communities are well-developed and large, and, more importantly, independent. Furthermore, NIWA was formally created less than two months ago. I bet some editors don't even know NIWA exists, and that the vast majority have never been to this forum. Now I don't think the wikis are at fault: the three founding wikis are doing a good enough job of advertising NIWA's existence and linking to the other member wikis. Though this forum and the actual NIWA website could be linked to a bit more, I think that this is simply a matter of time and we just need to wait for people to trickle in and gain interest. I hope that eventually, some editors will not edit one wiki exclusively but will move between any number of NIWA wikis that they have the passion and knowledge to work on. (I think that an (optional) universal login would be necessary for this to come to fruition.) Also, we certainty don't want to disregard the existence of separate communities around each wiki; these are a very important part of the wikis and I doubt that any would want to be assimilated into a larger NIWA community.
The best way to catalyze this behavior, in my opinion, would be through the creation of alliance-wide projects and initiatives. This "NIWA Operative" idea that Austin suggested seems like a great idea that will help raise awareness of NIWA and help the wikis greatly. However, I think this could be expanded into a series of organized, cross-wiki efforts (or "NIWAProjects") to improve NIWA wikis. There could be NIWAProjects for new, developing wikis that need more editors, NIWAProjects that focus on improving spelling, grammar, and style across all wikis, NIWAProjects that work on improving infoboxes and other templates, et cetera. NIWAProjects could be organized on the forums, have their own task forces and leadership, and co-ordinate with the leadership of NIWA wikis within the NIWAProject's scope on various levels. I think this is a really interesting idea that could build bridges between the various communities, and would like to hear what you all think about it.
I've read through this post on the Suggestions topic, will we make a NIWA Projects topic, and this thread will be moved there essentially?
We are talking this in the staff boards :)
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An update:
A
Ace Attorney Wiki (it seems Turboo is working on having a wiki for this subject)
Animal Crossing (being discussed by staff)
C
Custom Robo (series)
D
Donkey Kong (Covered by Mario Wiki)
E
EarthBound (series) (it seems Tacopill is working on having a wiki for this subject)
F
F-Zero
Fire Emblem
G
Game & Watch
Golden Sun (series)
K
Kid Icarus (series)
Kirby (series) (WiKirby)
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The Legend of Zelda (Zelda Wiki)
The Legendary Starfy (series)
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Mario (series)
Mario Kart
Mario Party (Mario wiki)
Metroid (series) (Metroid Wiki)
P
Pikmin (series)
Pokémon (video game series) (Bulbapedia)
Punch-Out!!
Puzzle League (series)
S
Star Fox (series) (I think that Neo is working on this with Tacopill...?)
Super Smash Bros. (series) (discussion has been going on for a while)
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Touch! Generations
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Wario (series) (Covered by Mario Wiki)
Wars (series) (Wars Wiki)
Y
Yoshi (Covered by Mario Wiki)
And now, for a list with all definitely covered subjects taken out of the list:
A
Ace Attorney Wiki (it seems Turboo is working on having a wiki for this subject)
Animal Crossing (being discussed by staff)
C
Custom Robo (series)
E
EarthBound (series) (it seems Tacopill is working on having a wiki for this subject)
F
F-Zero
Fire Emblem
G
Game & Watch
Golden Sun (series)
K
Kid Icarus (series)
L
The Legendary Starfy (series)
P
Pikmin (series)
Punch-Out!!
Puzzle League (series)
S
Star Fox (series) (I think that Neo is working on this with Tacopill...?)
Super Smash Bros. (series) (discussion has been going on for a while)
T
Touch! Generations
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I am certainly working with Neo on Lylat Wiki....we are just taking a summer break. (PM me if you want the link)
The Earthbound wiki (name still TBD) is available here: Click me (http://grifkuba.org/MotherEarthBoundWiki/index.php?title=Main_Page)!
When these are up and running (and my summer job is done) the next franchises i want to hit are: Fire Emblem and Golden Sun.
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A
Ace Attorney Wiki (it seems Turboo is working on having a wiki for this subject)
Animal Crossing (being discussed by staff)
C
Custom Robo (series)
E
EarthBound (series) (it seems Tacopill is working on having a wiki for this subject)
F
F-Zero
Fire Emblem
G
Game & Watch
Golden Sun (series)
K
Kid Icarus (series)
L
The Legendary Starfy (series)
P
Pikmin (series)
Punch-Out!!
Puzzle League (series)
S
Star Fox (series) (I think that Neo is working on this with Tacopill...?)
Super Smash Bros. (series) (discussion has been going on for a while)
T
Touch! Generations
Touch Generations will more likely than not be covered by Gamehiker if they join NIWA.
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A
Ace Attorney Wiki (it seems Turboo is working on having a wiki for this subject)
Animal Crossing (being discussed by staff)
C
Custom Robo (series)
E
EarthBound (series) (it seems Tacopill is working on having a wiki for this subject)
F
F-Zero
Fire Emblem
G
Game & Watch
Golden Sun (series)
K
Kid Icarus (series)
L
The Legendary Starfy (series)
P
Pikmin (series)
Punch-Out!!
Puzzle League (series)
S
Star Fox (series) (I think that Neo is working on this with Tacopill...?)
Super Smash Bros. (series) (discussion has been going on for a while)
T
Touch! Generations
Touch Generations will more likely than not be covered by Gamehiker if they join NIWA.
also Game & Watch, Custom Robo, Punch-Out, Puzzle League and Starfy should be
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The Legendary Starfy, if it can find a community, probably has enough content for its own wiki. On an unrelated note, I am planning to begin a Kid Icarus Wiki for NIWA. If any one has any objections, please let them be known.
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No objections from me. If you need help, just give me a holler.
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Does anybody have any suggestions regarding the name of the wiki?
Here are just some that I've thought of: Kid Icarus Wiki, WiKid Icarus, Wiki Icarus, Palutenapedia, and Palutena's Encyclopedia
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I'd go with "Palutena's Encyclopedia", but I've never played Kid Icarus....
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WiKid Icarus and Paletunapedia both sound pretty cool.
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WiKid Icarus and Paletunapedia both sound pretty cool.
Agreed, I also kinda like Wiki Icarus.
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Does a wiki need to be hosted on a home server to be considered independent?
I was thinking about using a web hosting service to host a website, then upload MediaWiki software onto the website. I also plan to get a custom domain name for it. The web hosting service would not be a dedicated wiki-hosting service. Right now I'm looking at sites like http://www.yola.com/ (http://www.yola.com/). Would this be considered independent?
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Does a wiki need to be hosted on a home server to be considered independent?
I was thinking about using a web hosting service to host a website, then upload MediaWiki software onto the website. I also plan to get a custom domain name for it. The web hosting service would not be a dedicated wiki-hosting service. Right now I'm looking at sites like http://www.yola.com/ (http://www.yola.com/). Would this be considered independent?
Yea, that's independent.....as far as I know. Lylat Wiki and PK Wiki are off of a bluehost (http://www.bluehot.com)-based server, as I currently don't Have the capabilities to run a full-scale website from home.
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I think people can start off with anything to get the ball moving. If they (you) aren't comfortable taking a financial risk, then feel free to begin at one of those free sites. If you can control your own content and take it with you later, then it shouldn't be a problem. Wikia doesn't allow that-so that's a bad place to start.
This of course would be postponing the financial investment to the site until NIWA membership is sought. I for one would only vote in sites that are being hosted and the owners having to pay for it. Without that factor, it's too cheap and is likely to be abandoned later. When the owner(s) have to put in money from their pockets-they'll probably take more of an interest in the project. I do recommend you purchase whatever domain name you want as soon as you can to make sure no one else does later and you have to settle for a less desired name.
Now if you are meaning that your home pc has the capabilities to actually host the site and you have the technical expertise to keep it going, then that's even better than paying someone imo.
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I'm not sure Kid Icarus is a big enough series to start a wiki on.
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Probably not, I suspect "dwindling returns" for most future Nintendo Wikis. The biggest are in, except one more that will be added soon. For the most part, from here on out, I think we'll be looking at dedicated backing of each wiki from its fan community as a factor. Some of the others have a lot of potential, Star Fox, Earthbound, Animal Crossing, and Smash Bros for example. They have fragmented communities and the only existing wikis are on wiki farms. If some effort to unite the fan base under a single independent wiki can be achieved, I suspect they'll make great NIWA member sites.
The main obstacle, I think, is that people will have a hard time letting go of the work they did on a wiki farm-even if it means missing out on what may someday be the better known site. I think the passions for the independent wikis are so high because people can visit them and actually feel the creator's own love for the series. To me, the Neoseeker, wikispaces, etc sites feel more impersonal and disconnected than they actually are-but the few people that work on them should be approached delicately if creating a "rival" wiki. I say rival for a lack of a better term, we don't really compete head to head like sports teams or offline businesses do.
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Ah, so the problem is the lack of editors that ant to edit if I get it? And when you mean wiki farms, do you mean wikia?
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That makes the most sense.
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Probably not, I suspect "dwindling returns" for most future Nintendo Wikis. The biggest are in, except one more that will be added soon. For the most part, from here on out, I think we'll be looking at dedicated backing of each wiki from its fan community as a factor. Some of the others have a lot of potential, Star Fox, Earthbound, Animal Crossing, and Smash Bros for example. They have fragmented communities and the only existing wikis are on wiki farms. If some effort to unite the fan base under a single independent wiki can be achieved, I suspect they'll make great NIWA member sites.
The main obstacle, I think, is that people will have a hard time letting go of the work they did on a wiki farm-even if it means missing out on what may someday be the better known site. I think the passions for the independent wikis are so high because people can visit them and actually feel the creator's own love for the series. To me, the Neoseeker, wikispaces, etc sites feel more impersonal and disconnected than they actually are-but the few people that work on them should be approached delicately if creating a "rival" wiki. I say rival for a lack of a better term, we don't really compete head to head like sports teams or offline businesses do.
Do you think it's possible to ask a wiki, like the SmashWiki, to become independent? I'm not sure if it's possible, but I would think you could buy an address, and move the pages from one to the other. If this sounds crazy, then nevermind. XD lol.
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Probably not, I suspect "dwindling returns" for most future Nintendo Wikis. The biggest are in, except one more that will be added soon. For the most part, from here on out, I think we'll be looking at dedicated backing of each wiki from its fan community as a factor. Some of the others have a lot of potential, Star Fox, Earthbound, Animal Crossing, and Smash Bros for example. They have fragmented communities and the only existing wikis are on wiki farms. If some effort to unite the fan base under a single independent wiki can be achieved, I suspect they'll make great NIWA member sites.
The main obstacle, I think, is that people will have a hard time letting go of the work they did on a wiki farm-even if it means missing out on what may someday be the better known site. I think the passions for the independent wikis are so high because people can visit them and actually feel the creator's own love for the series. To me, the Neoseeker, wikispaces, etc sites feel more impersonal and disconnected than they actually are-but the few people that work on them should be approached delicately if creating a "rival" wiki. I say rival for a lack of a better term, we don't really compete head to head like sports teams or offline businesses do.
Do you think it's possible to ask a wiki, like the SmashWiki, to become independent? I'm not sure if it's possible, but I would think you could buy an address, and move the pages from one to the other. If this sounds crazy, then nevermind. XD lol.
I think SmashWiki is planning on switching off of Wikia, but time will tell.
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Probably not, I suspect "dwindling returns" for most future Nintendo Wikis. The biggest are in, except one more that will be added soon. For the most part, from here on out, I think we'll be looking at dedicated backing of each wiki from its fan community as a factor. Some of the others have a lot of potential, Star Fox, Earthbound, Animal Crossing, and Smash Bros for example. They have fragmented communities and the only existing wikis are on wiki farms. If some effort to unite the fan base under a single independent wiki can be achieved, I suspect they'll make great NIWA member sites.
The main obstacle, I think, is that people will have a hard time letting go of the work they did on a wiki farm-even if it means missing out on what may someday be the better known site. I think the passions for the independent wikis are so high because people can visit them and actually feel the creator's own love for the series. To me, the Neoseeker, wikispaces, etc sites feel more impersonal and disconnected than they actually are-but the few people that work on them should be approached delicately if creating a "rival" wiki. I say rival for a lack of a better term, we don't really compete head to head like sports teams or offline businesses do.
Do you think it's possible to ask a wiki, like the SmashWiki, to become independent? I'm not sure if it's possible, but I would think you could buy an address, and move the pages from one to the other. If this sounds crazy, then nevermind. XD lol.
I think SmashWiki is planning on switching off of Wikia, but time will tell.
What makes them hesitant on switching?
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It's not that easy you know.
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It's not that easy you know.
Your right, since you gotta buy the address, and then move EVERY article over to the new wiki... right? :eekdance:
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Also, the edits you made don't travel over. Say you made 2,000 edits, but then when you move the pages, you only have 20 edits because you only moved 20 pages.
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Also, the edits you made don't travel over. Say you made 2,000 edits, but then when you move the pages, you only have 20 edits because you only moved 20 pages.
Move the database. It's very simple. All you have to do is export the DB and then use a program called BigDump.php to insert it into the new database structure. Set up your localsettings and voila, you have your wiki.
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Also, the edits you made don't travel over. Say you made 2,000 edits, but then when you move the pages, you only have 20 edits because you only moved 20 pages.
Move the database. It's very simple. All you have to do is export the DB and then use a program called BigDump.php to insert it into the new database structure. Set up your localsettings and voila, you have your wiki.
With edits and user rights included? D:
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Yes. Everything from the old wiki will be included on the new.